2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

Alright Tim let's role with your hypothesis and say that 1 day prior to the amendable date that the company can replace ALL of us but the day after Art1c is again applicable. Does the company replace the ENTIRE workforce for 1 day only to bring us back the next? 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Alright Tim let's role with your hypothesis and say that 1 day prior to the amendable date that the company can replace ALL of us but the day after Art1c is again applicable. Does the company replace the ENTIRE workforce for 1 day only to bring us back the next? 

It's not a hypothesis.  Um, it's in your agreement and it's non negotiable.  You have no comprehension on contract language. PERIOD!   I'm not sure what the company will do but I'm sure, like any outsourcing, it will plan and serve letter in advance if it chooses to exercise its option.  I've been over this with you and you just don't get it. Me and you have been around and around on this on FB but you just have a mental block comprehending this.
 
 "The day prior" language has cost a lot of folks their jobs in this craft. It is a clear "Drop Dead" date. Prez is right.  Unfortunately, your boy Sidney continues to lie to you guys about what he supported.   
 
Carry on!

 

[WeAAsles]

Let's take this conspiracy theory of yours one step further. DFW alone has over 3000 FSC's. At midnight the day before 3000 contracted workers start flooding in knowing everything we know about how to work all the equiptment we have. Loaders, tractors, huffs, belts, ramp links, encoder stations, coordinator jobs, fork lifts, etc. A monumental task if there ever was one.

Now aside from that everyone that was a part of the negotiations must be in on this conspiracy theory? They must have been given some amazing amount of payola to keep it on the down low. Many of them are even back at there old jobs on the ramp now. Since I'm friends with some of them it's amazing that they're keeping it quiet from me? Not a slip up. Not a peep of a clue. Amazing!

And all of that just to have to bring us back the next day? The logic behind the idea alone has to be about one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

 

[P. REZ]

Let me throw in a disclaimer here. I am going by memory but the AA bankruptcy took the language to 15 mainline per day and 17 cities were all that were left. The 7 mainline per day was thrown in to protect the 17 stations from further carnage until the end of 17. This is a good thing for now but obviously puts pressure on getting a JCBA prior to 18. 
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Let's take this conspiracy theory of yours one step further. DFW alone has over 3000 FSC's. At midnight the day before 3000 contracted workers start flooding in knowing everything we know about how to work all the equiptment we have. Loaders, tractors, huffs, belts, ramp links, encoder stations, coordinator jobs, fork lifts, etc. A monumental task if there ever was one.
Now aside from that everyone that was a part of the negotiations must be in on this conspiracy theory? They must have been given some amazing amount of payola to keep it on the down low. Many of them are even back at there old jobs on the ramp now. Since I'm friends with some of them it's amazing that they're keeping it quiet from me? Not a slip up. Not a peep of a clue. Amazing!
And all of that just to have to bring us back the next day? The logic behind the idea alone has to be about one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

read yoyr contract. Dfw is not affected since it will meet the minimums. Your minimums go up from 7 to 15 flights. You just have a mental block on this because you believe sidney.

 

[mike33]

It's not a hypothesis.  Um, it's in your agreement and it's non negotiable.  You have no comprehension on contract language. PERIOD!   I'm not sure what the company will do but I'm sure, like any outsourcing, it will plan and serve letter in advance if it chooses to exercise its option.  I've been over this with you and you just don't get it. Me and you have been around and around on this on FB but you just have a mental block comprehending this.
 
 "The day prior" language has cost a lot of folks their jobs in this craft. It is a clear "Drop Dead" date. Prez is right.  Unfortunately, your boy Sidney continues to lie to you guys about what he supported.   
 
Carry on!

  The more i look at it the more i see your point !

 

[roabilly]

Let's take this conspiracy theory of yours one step further. DFW alone has over 3000 FSC's. At midnight the day before 3000 contracted workers start flooding in knowing everything we know about how to work all the equiptment we have. Loaders, tractors, huffs, belts, ramp links, encoder stations, coordinator jobs, fork lifts, etc. A monumental task if there ever was one.

Now aside from that everyone that was a part of the negotiations must be in on this conspiracy theory? They must have been given some amazing amount of payola to keep it on the down low. Many of them are even back at there old jobs on the ramp now. Since I'm friends with some of them it's amazing that they're keeping it quiet from me? Not a slip up. Not a peep of a clue. Amazing!

And all of that just to have to bring us back the next day? The logic behind the idea alone has to be about one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

This kind of convoluted reasoning is his modus operandi... notice that the whole thing is supposed to be a Union "trick of deception" clandestinely orchestrated with intended malice toward the very group that is essential for the Unions own livelihood ...Paying Dues Members! 
 
Yup... that sounds plausible -- the Union secretly wants to destroy itself!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Let me throw in a disclaimer here. I am going by memory but the AA bankruptcy took the language to 15 mainline per day and 17 cities were all that were left. The 7 mainline per day was thrown in to protect the 17 stations from further carnage until the end of 17. This is a good thing for now but obviously puts pressure on getting a JCBA prior to 18. 
 
P. Rez

at some point the unions gotta get scope instead of extra holidays and drop dead clauses that hostage the whole.

 

[mike33]

Let's take this conspiracy theory of yours one step further. DFW alone has over 3000 FSC's. At midnight the day before 3000 contracted workers start flooding in knowing everything we know about how to work all the equiptment we have. Loaders, tractors, huffs, belts, ramp links, encoder stations, coordinator jobs, fork lifts, etc. A monumental task if there ever was one.

Now aside from that everyone that was a part of the negotiations must be in on this conspiracy theory? They must have been given some amazing amount of payola to keep it on the down low. Many of them are even back at there old jobs on the ramp now. Since I'm friends with some of them it's amazing that they're keeping it quiet from me? Not a slip up. Not a peep of a clue. Amazing!

And all of that just to have to bring us back the next day? The logic behind the idea alone has to be about one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

 Why does it have to be a theory or conspiracy....Suppose I'm the company and i let the TWU know that i am contracting out all those stations on dec 31 2017. I give you notice on Nov 1 2017.
 
  Is that not what we are talking about here?
 
Maybe the boogie numbers don't apply for 1 day?

 

[roabilly]

 Why does it have to be a theory or conspiracy....Suppose I'm the company and i let the TWU know that i am contracting out all those stations on dec 31 2017. I give you notice on Nov 1 2017.
 
  Is that not what we are talking about here?

What is the likelihood of the TWU/IAM alliance not getting a transition agreement (JCBA) that supersedes this language PRIOR to the Dec 31 2017 date?

 

[Tim Nelson]

The more i look at it the more i see your point !

mike, this is the part where i get totally pissed off at union leaders. Either they are absolute Ftards or they lie and dont give a damn.
Weiasles is ruined. His mind is fried because he believes a guy named sidney who has told him that 24 hours wont allow the company enuf time.

Iam141 eboard F over most of our membership. All of it at hal and ual. It is absolutely moronic to vote these guys back into office thinking that somehow usairways is the golden child. Hell, i hope im wrong but nobody who endorsed the united contract is a friend of labor.
for reference you might want to go back and read cb, roabilly and a few others how they commented a few years ago how i was wrong and that delaney was doing right by united.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

WTF Nelson...
 
You attempt to completely trash a perfectly good union AGC's (MM) reputation with out-right lies, and ALL you have to say is... "My Bad"? Further.. you were told several times by several different witnesses in CLT that NO campaign materials were distributed, but you STILL re-post this garbage!
 
You are only reinforcing the fact that you can't be trusted to serve in ANY capacity!

 
You are incorrect sir! Charlie Brown attests that he did not personally hand out materials. That can not be said for MF and NH. I witnessed that. Materials were in fact handed out in the break rooms during the AGC briefing.

 

[mike33]

What is the likelihood of the TWU/IAM alliance not getting a transition agreement (JCBA) that supersedes this language PRIOR to the Dec 31 2017 date?

I agree and i think its a moot point but it still needs to be hashed out. I see the point though. Its just another thing that has to be addressed with the membership on why we need to keep this sec 6 leverage because going right to  TA talks leave us vulnerable and no NMB involvement for years to come

 

[WeAAsles]

 Why does it have to be a theory or conspiracy....Suppose I'm the company and i let the TWU know that i am contracting out all those stations on dec 31 2017. I give you notice on Nov 1 2017.
 
  Is that not what we are talking about here?
 
Maybe the boogie numbers don't apply for 1 day?

 

 Why does it have to be a theory or conspiracy....Suppose I'm the company and i let the TWU know that i am contracting out all those stations on dec 31 2017. I give you notice on Nov 1 2017.
 
  Is that not what we are talking about here?
 
Maybe the boogie numbers don't apply for 1 day?

Ok and again as we all know under the RLA contracts do not expire, they only become amendable. So that next day all items within the CBA are in full force and effect. That's the item we shouldn't forget. The RLA actually protects us and the company in it's language.

 

[WeAAsles]

mike, this is the part where i get totally pissed off at union leaders. Either they are absolute Ftards or they lie and dont give a damn.
Weiasles is ruined. His mind is fried because he believes a guy named sidney who has told him that 24 hours wont allow the company enuf time.

Iam141 eboard F over most of our membership. All of it at hal and ual. It is absolutely moronic to vote these guys back into office thinking that somehow usairways is the golden child. Hell, i hope im wrong but nobody who endorsed the united contract is a friend of labor.

Wow you are really out there Tim. I bet you read material on "The Illuminati and The New World Order" also?