2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

we were talking about releases, not strikes. You do know the difference, yes?

Uh yes Timmy I do. I don't think that they're even going to release you personally but hey it's worth giving it a shot since the days are coming up pretty soon. I think some people think the company reps are stupid or something sometimes. As if they don't know and understand all the possible scenarios maybe even a little better than some of us do.

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
- Sun Tzu

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tell you what. You got it. It's a Cinderella date. Knowing the circumstances of it though makes it understandable and actually admired that it was able to be implemented """"BANKRUPCY""""
You have heard of it right Tim. I think if AA had been able to remain standalone it would have been more of a possibility that more stations may have been lost in the future. Maybe that's why now you can understand "When Froggie came a courtin" (Parker) we were more receptive to giving that Frog a kiss and seeing what might happen
With the absolute projected growth plans of the merged airline I doubt that the criteria will come into play anyway. As for leverage it's not my ball in the court so I can't decide how the game is played. All I know is that my money is riding on it too.

the twu used what leverage it had with the merger. One more day of protection is better than outsourcing so im sure the aus and other stations appreciated the extra 3 years. And all isnt lost. We still have hope of securing all stations further. Because of our leverage and solidarity AH just extended protections again.

Im actually amazed that im agreeing with 700 on alot of things but it seems like everyone on this page has a equal baseline that the nc is riding the leverage on the right path.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Uh yes Timmy I dng to release you personally but hey it's worth giving it a shot since the days are coming up pretty soon. I think some people think the company reps are stupid or something sometimes. As if they don't know and understand all the possible scenarios maybe even a little better than some of us do.
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
- Sun Tzu

so what value is it to say "your not getting released?"
Maybe so, maybe no. Lets show respect for the process. So what if we dont get a release any time soon...the company isnt going to get seamlessness either if it doesnt respect our nc.

 

[WeAAsles]

so what value is it to say "your not getting released?"
Maybe so, maybe no. Lets show respect for the process. So what if we dont get a release any time soon...the company isnt going to get seamlessness either if it doesnt respect our nc.

Alright Tim: You just hit two in a row that I liked. Showing solidarity to your leadership is extremely important. Try to hold ont that for a little while.  But you have to come to a point where you just might be willing to move on with the process too? When you gamble you don't want to hold those cards too long.

On the other issue, the extention letter. I also noticed in that letter that the company doesn't have to restaff stations either with that extention. Did you guys have any current Stations that could be restaffed without that letter maybe impeding that?

 

[WeAAsles]

I know but it is strange that it's not listed on the sheet. And i agree a different world. Many believed the company did that damage to its own airplane so the blame would go to the union...just rumor though

Dude I was only 8 years old back then, lol.

 

[P. REZ]

Alright Tim: You just hit two in a row that I liked. Showing solidarity to your leadership is extremely important. Try to hold ont that for a little while.  But you have to come to a point where you just might be willing to move on with the process too? When you gamble you don't want to hold those cards too long.

On the other issue, the extention letter. I also noticed in that letter that the company doesn't have to restaff stations either with that extention. Did you guys have any current Stations that could be restaffed without that letter maybe impeding that?

yes iah

 

[WeAAsles]

yes iah

Thanks Pat. So obviously the Union could have lost a lot more than they gained then. You see now Tim could be railing against that loss if he wanted but it was done with the thought of saving even more. "The Bigger picture"

I used an anology during the BK when people asked me why I was voting yes and that we were going to lose jobs and stations. The ship is sinking and I'm in the life raft. There are 30 people within 20 yards of me and there are 5, 200 yards from me. I don't think I can save those 5 and if I try to get to them first the 30 people I have near me are dead also. I had no choice but to let the 5 people die. It's a cold decision to make but I know in the end that I made the right one.

 

[P. REZ]

Mike....im right.

This is the same nonsense i had to deal with at united. When are you guys going to ever learn how your union leaders jerk you guys off? I go through hell telling you guys the truth. At united i had shop stewards who threatened to kick my arse but now tell me thank you. You guys gotta get out of this mindset that the union leaders know what the hell they are talking about all the time. They dont.
i may have to open up a can at usairways as well but i hope not.

These guys have their F brains rented out.

Tim,
 
Don't flatter yourself, I don't want to put words in anybody's mouths but I believe all of the US NC members knew the AA language and I believe all the US AGC's too.
 
P. Rez

 

[ograc]

Necigrad,
 
When we went on strike in 1992, the AFA and its flight attendants honored our picket line.
The company went to court and got an injunction, the court remanded it to arbitration as it was contractual language and the AFA won, so they are permitted to honor a sanctioned picket line at US, I have posted the language several times and here it is again:

 

This language is in many contracts within the airline industry. Including the CWA contract at US. The company cannot force a union represented employee, or impose any disciplinary measures against said members, who choose not to cross legally established picket lines.

 

[ograc]

Uh yes Timmy I do. I don't think that they're even going to release you personally but hey it's worth giving it a shot since the days are coming up pretty soon. I think some people think the company reps are stupid or something sometimes. As if they don't know and understand all the possible scenarios maybe even a little better than some of us do.

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
- Sun Tzu

Know thy enemy. Know thy self. The only ones who respect Marines; are fellow Marines and their enemy.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Don't flatter yourself, I don't want to put words in anybody's mouths but I believe all of the US NC members knew the AA language and I believe all the US AGC's too.
 
P. Rez

I hear ya Prez,
 
By any chance did you guys ask for automatic recognition for the Association?

 

[WeAAsles]

Know thy enemy. Know thy self. The only ones who respect Marines; are fellow Marines and their enemy.

 
If everyone is thinking alike then someone isn't thinking.

George S Patton

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I have known war as few men now living know it. It's very destructiveness on both friend and foe has rendered it useless as a means of settling international disputes.
-Douglas MacArthur

 

[necigrad]

With all this talk about the NW MX strike, I have to ask this.  Exactly how much COMPANY SPECIFIC training is necessary to perform A&P work on US aircraft?  I'm asking because (in my uneducated mind) an A&P is an A&P is an A&P and any A&P can work on our aircraft.  Every other workgroup, however, requires specific company training in order to touch US aircraft.  I think, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[700UW]

They have to go through US' line training and be qualified on all the planes.