2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

 
It isn't a "clause" or a "cinderella date," it was an attempt to further protect the remaining cities from closure due to the agreed 15 flight threshold used to shutter other stations. It was agreed to have the old 7 flight threshold throughout the remainder of the CBA.
 
Aside from that, the original MOU with US Airways was the template used to protect the remaining cities as well as opening a few other stations that are currently not available to TWU Members. Hopefully, the changes made during the Convention last September hasn't jeopardized that.

That was a very large list of Stations and I hope that both the IAM and TWU are very well aware of that list and can utilize it in any joint talks with the company. That and including the cities that the IAM already are currently staffed in would solve the SCOPE issue in one fell swoop. Of course that's only when the association actually get's together and starts the bargaining process.

 

[P. REZ]

Rat
I have always gave my word that I will tell everyone the good and bad of any T/A that we may get. That's one of the main things I complained about that the last team didn't do. So I will tell both sides of the T/A.

Agree with CB, the parts that suck need to be explained too.
 
P. Rez

 

[mike33]

 
Hoodwinked? It was asked for and received, during a BK, that we suspend the 15 flight threshold used to close the stations lost because of the BK for the period of the CBA which was ratified. If that agreement wasn't made there are several more stations that would been closed since.
 
Obviously, you believe that reading a few lines in a CBA that's foreign to you makes you a TWU CBA expert but suffice to say...That is eminently not the case. 

NY he is talking about the phrase " one day before the amendable date " a free date where by the CBA for stations doesn't apply supposedly. I do see where they are coming from but it's a JAN to JAN and a JULY to JULY back calculation. It would have to be preplanned a yr in advance more or less.   Who knows? maybe he is right.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Why do you have to be so in their face on this issue? We know that if they fall below 15 mainline and we don't have a JCBA that the Company may whack them at the end of their contract but we don't have to be d**ks about it.
 
P. Rez

because i dont tolerate lies too well. You dont work here in ord rez and i can promise you that alot of good honest rampers believe their union when it ssys these stations will remain protected for the duration, just like NY said here on the last page. Those being d heads are the union leaders who cant tell the F truth. I had to put up with the same lies regarding united. Working people are sacred and i will go after the union leaders themselves fearlessly if they lie to the working man.

Its so bizarre that im honestly believing that the local presidents didnt know what they signed.

 

[WeAAsles]

um didnt the nmb release sAA pilots or stews in '99?
I think sAA was the biggest airline at the time.

Didnt the nmb release a bigger airline in nw during a merger or bankruptcy?

Im not sure any of us understand your post???

You're forgetting about Interstate commerce and a global economy that is CRITICALLY reliant on Air Travel. You don't think the pressure from the business community not to allow this to happen won't be astronomical?

I'm not trying to cast stones on the plan but reality has to play something of a factor in this.

 

[NYer]

um didnt the nmb release sAA pilots or stews in '99?
I think sAA was the biggest airline at the time.

Didnt the nmb release a bigger airline in nw during a merger or bankruptcy?

Im not sure any of us understand your post???

 
And that lasted about minutes with a full schedule of flights the next morning. They weren't allowed to strike...
 
The biggest leverage we as airline employees have is the "threat" of a strike, not an actual strike. The flying public starts to book away and the airline gets a financial hit....Planning and hoping for an actual strike is wasted energy and can let an opportunity to get the best deal pass you by.
 
In '05 AMFA mechanics in Northwest were allowed to strike and most lost their jobs...all other work groups went to work and the airline replaced their mechanics breaking that union shop.

 

[NYer]

Tim,
 
Why do you have to be so in their face on this issue? We know that if they fall below 15 mainline and we don't have a JCBA that the Company may whack them at the end of their contract but we don't have to be d**ks about it.
 
P. Rez   

 
It's fine Rez. We originally had 7 flights. The BK brought that to 15 flights, although they wanted 20. We were able to have them agree to the original 7 flights for the remainder of the CBA. We also had an MOU with US Airways that would protect the remaining cities and even open up more to TWU Members as a result of the Merger. We'll be OK either way.

 

[WeAAsles]

because i dont tolerate lies too well. You dont work here in ord rez and i can promise you that alot of good honest rampers believe their union when it ssys these stations will remain protected for the duration, just like NY said here on the last page. Those being d heads are the union leaders who cant tell the F truth. I had to put up with the same lies regarding united. Working people are sacred and i will go after the union leaders themselves fearlessly if they lie to the working man.

Its so bizarre that im honestly believing that the local presidents didnt know what they signed.

And that's why IMO this association needs to get the show on the road. I don't care at the end of the day which represented Station I'm in as long as I have a job and can pay my bills. That's where the focus should be so we can tear down any fences and have staffed cities.

Did you guys see the news today from the APFA. They're moving forward.

 

[charlie Brown]

cb
when you are in ord, let me know and ill give you all the paperwork and the tentative agreement papers they achieved. They never went on strike. Genoese who led this innovative strategy gave me and dave lehive our own personal vhs tapes explaining everything. Im sure lehive still has his but if not you are welcome to borrow it.

Sounds good. Good to know.

 

[NYer]

NY he is talking about the phrase " one day before the amendable date " a free date where by the CBA for stations doesn't apply supposedly. I do see where they are coming from but it's a JAN to JAN and a JULY to JULY back calculation. It would have to be preplanned a yr in advance more or less.   Who knows? maybe he is right.

 
Mike...the original number used in BK to close our stations was 15. That is not a new or magical number that will sprung on us out of nowhere. They used that number and we were able to have them revert back to the 7 for the remainder of the CBA. Due to that original 15 number most of the remaining stations are at or near that threshold. We don't have stations with say, 8 or 9 or even 10 flights that may be jeopardy. The stations that are in jeopardy with the 15 flights in 2017 are the same one's in jeopardy since they made that change. Thankfully, we were able to get a few extra years of latitude and expect those cities to gain the necessary flights where they won't need to worry every January and July what will happen to them.
 
Tim is just trying to make an issue on things he know little about in an attempt to make his fledgling candidacy seems more legitimate than it may be.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
And that lasted about minutes with a full schedule of flights the next morning. They weren't allowed to strike...
 
The biggest leverage we as airline employees have is the "threat" of a strike, not an actual strike. The flying public starts to book away and the airline gets a financial hit....Planning and hoping for an actual strike is wasted energy and can let an opportunity to get the best deal pass you by.
 
In '05 AMFA mechanics in Northwest were allowed to strike and most lost their jobs...all other work groups went to work and the airline replaced their mechanics breaking that union shop.

That was 1997 regarding the APA and the strike lasted 24 minutes.

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/airline-strikes.html

 

 

[mike33]

 
Mike...the original number used in BK to close our stations was 15. That is not a new or magical number that will sprung on us out of nowhere. They used that number and we were able to have them revert back to the 7 for the remainder of the CBA. Due to that original 15 number most of the remaining stations are at or near that threshold. We don't have stations with say, 8 or 9 or even 10 flights that may be jeopardy. The stations that are in jeopardy with the 15 flights in 2017 are the same one's in jeopardy since they made that change. Thankfully, we were able to get a few extra years of latitude and expect those cities to gain the necessary flights where they won't need to worry every January and July what will happen to them.
 
Tim is just trying to make an issue on things he know little about in an attempt to make his fledgling candidacy seems more legitimate than it may be.

I understand all of that but i think we will be revisiting that during JCBA talks for sure. 

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Just to provide a bit of perspective, its not so much striking with another carrier so much as simply refusing to perform struck work.
 
This is a portion of the language we had in our previous UAL Mechanics Agreement.
 
 

...Notwithstanding the provisions of this paragraph, it is
understood that (1) there is no contractual prohibition on the ability of employees
to honor lawful picket lines of the Company's employees on or in front of the
premises; and (2) the employees covered by this Agreement are not prohibited
from engaging in a concerted refusal to perform Struck Work. Struck Work for purposes
of this contract is defined to be when the Company, in response to a labor
dispute at a company where the employees are engaged in a lawful strike, is performing
work for that company pursuant to an agreement or arrangement with the
company and the Company has not previously performed such work....
 

 

 

[NYer]

I understand all of that but i think we will be revisiting that during JCBA talks for sure. 

 
We made sure to get an agreement on paper and there is an MOU which states which stations would re-open for the TWU. I'm sure that would need to be reconciled with the new agreement with the IAM. Either way, we were able to keep some stations on the brink open a few more years and hopefully it can be improved in future negotiations.

 

[Tim Nelson]

NY he is talking about the phrase " one day before the amendable date " a free date where by the CBA for stations doesn't apply supposedly. I do see where they are coming from but it's a JAN to JAN and a JULY to JULY back calculation. It would have to be preplanned a yr in advance more or less.   Who knows? maybe he is right.

Mike....im right.

This is the same nonsense i had to deal with at united. When are you guys going to ever learn how your union leaders jerk you guys off? I go through hell telling you guys the truth. At united i had shop stewards who threatened to kick my arse but now tell me thank you. You guys gotta get out of this mindset that the union leaders know what the hell they are talking about all the time. They dont.
i may have to open up a can at usairways as well but i hope not.

These guys have their F brains rented out.