2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

You're forgetting about Interstate commerce and a global economy that is CRITICALLY reliant on Air Travel. You don't think the pressure from the business community not to allow this to happen won't be astronomical?
I'm not trying to cast stones on the plan but reality has to play something of a factor in this.

Im sorry but when aa was the worlds biggest airline, and they got a release, didnt that concern businesses just as much? And nw strike really screwed up air traffic for a while in some parts of the nation.
has something changed so that the nmb wont release 5,000 baggage handlers or only 3,500 mx?

Btw you got any other suggestions because our present course is the highest leveraged one.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
We made sure to get an agreement on paper and there is an MOU which states which stations would re-open for the TWU. I'm sure that would need to be reconciled with the new agreement with the IAM. Either way, we were able to keep some stations on the brink open a few more years and hopefully it can be improved in future negotiations.

Here is a copy of that original agreement which left open 30 TWU staffed stations.

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/files/usair-fleet-sheet-v.2.pdf

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here is a copy of that original agreement which left open 30 TWU staffed stations.
http://blogs.star-telegram.com/files/usair-fleet-sheet-v.2.pdf

nobody is disputing that as you know. What you fail to acknowledge is that it comes up one day short. Thats a pure cinderella date.
who you think you are talking to? Dont insult those of us who know.

 

[mike33]

Mike....im right.

This is the same nonsense i had to deal with at united. When are you guys going to ever learn how your union leaders jerk you guys off? I go through hell telling you guys the truth. At united i had shop stewards who threatened to kick my arse but now tell me thank you. You guys gotta get out of this mindset that the union leaders know what the hell they are talking about all the time. They dont.
i may have to open up a can at usairways as well but i hope not.

These guys have their F brains rented out.

Did i not f*kn somewhat agree with you?.... I saw and analyzed it?..... I just don't agree that the Nelsons Stars align on this one due to the Jan Jan/ Julu July language..... But yes it is there .Obviously

 

[WeAAsles]

Im sorry but when aa was the worlds biggest airline, and they got a release, didnt that concern businesses just as much? And nw strike really screwed up air traffic for a while in some parts of the nation.
has something changed so that the nmb wont release 5,000 baggage handlers or only 3,500 mx?

Btw you got any other suggestions because our present course is the highest leveraged one.

Tim as I stated before that APA strike lasted 24 minutes. And it began at Midnight so it was over at 12:24 AM. Yes lot's of traveling being done at that time of the day. As for the AMFA strike being allowed didn't they walk while in BK and the replacements were primed, trained and ready to go? Yes they had a few hiccups but the other airlines were easily able to handle the overflow since there were still too many seats with not enough passengers to fill them.
 
Look at the list of airline strikes I provided and consider the years and circumstances surrounding them.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Did i not f*kn somewhat agree with you?.... I saw and analyzed it?..... I just don't agree that the Nelsons Stars align on this one due to the Jan Jan/ Julu July language.....

its not nelsons stars. Hundreds of rampers can loose their jobs over this stupid s.
Trust me, you guys will hate my guts going through a ta because you will want to believe bull S. But id rather smack you with the truth instead of kissing you with a lie.

I hate being right over the years but folks just dont listen when a ta comes out. They want to believe bs.

 

[mike33]

Tim as I stated before that APA strike lasted 24 minutes. And it began at Midnight so it was over at 12:24 AM. Yes lot's of traveling being done at that time of the day. As for the AMFA strike being allowed didn't they walk while in BK and the replacements were primed, trained and ready to go? Yes they had a few hiccups but the other airlines were easily able to handle the overflow since there were still too many seats with not enough passengers to fill them.
 
Look at the list of airline strikes I provided and consider the years and circumstances surrounding them.

Weasle...they left out the Teamster PSA mechanics strike in and around 1973 !..that strike caused a/c damage and other things and I'm not sure why its not on the list?.....
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=VQ5rKnuZC38C&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=psa+mechanics+strike+of+1972&source=bl&ots=95k_5skWDR&sig=MsKIqnz2RVuQ3vp08rKzPbFdS9U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Fy8RU5jvJtDvoASAlYDoCg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=psa%20mechanics%20strike%20of%201972&f=false

 

[mike33]

its not nelsons stars. Hundreds of rampers can loose their jobs over this stupid s.
Trust me, you guys will hate my guts going through a ta because you will want to believe bull S. But id rather smack you with the truth instead of kissing you with a lie.

I hate being right over the years but folks just dont listen when a ta comes out. They want to believe bs.

Fair enough

 

[WeAAsles]

nobody is disputing that as you know. What you fail to acknowledge is that it comes up one day short. Thats a pure cinderella date.
who you think you are talking to? Dont insult those of us who know.

Tell you what. You got it. It's a Cinderella date. Knowing the circumstances of it though makes it understandable and actually admired that it was able to be implemented """"BANKRUPCY""""

You have heard of it right Tim. I think if AA had been able to remain standalone it would have been more of a possibility that more stations may have been lost in the future. Maybe that's why now you can understand "When Froggie came a courtin" (Parker) we were more receptive to giving that Frog a kiss and seeing what might happen

With the absolute projected growth plans of the merged airline I doubt that the criteria will come into play anyway. As for leverage it's not my ball in the court so I can't decide how the game is played. All I know is that my money is riding on it too.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

Did i not f*kn somewhat agree with you?.... I saw and analyzed it?..... I just don't agree that the Nelsons Stars align on this one due to the Jan Jan/ Julu July language..... But yes it is there .Obviously

I just agreed with him as well. Let's see if he can show at least a little bit of humility for once and not just automatically spout off the doom and gloom, push the red botton, nuclear option. Without ever looking at the larger picture outside the box.  
 

 

[700UW]

I believe AMFA went on strike then NW filed chapter 11.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weasle...they left out the Teamster PSA mechanics strike in and around 1973 !..that strike caused a/c damage and other things and I'm not sure why its not on the list?.....
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=VQ5rKnuZC38C&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=psa+mechanics+strike+of+1972&source=bl&ots=95k_5skWDR&sig=MsKIqnz2RVuQ3vp08rKzPbFdS9U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Fy8RU5jvJtDvoASAlYDoCg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=psa%20mechanics%20strike%20of%201972&f=false

Mike there is no way that we can go all the way back to what was allowed in 1973. That was 40 years ago and a VERY different world. That was a Pre Reagan, Pre PATCO world.

 

[mike33]

Mike there is no way that we can go all the way back to what was allowed in 1973. That was 40 years ago and a VERY different world. That was a Pre Reagan, Pre PATCO world.

I know but it is strange that it's not listed on the sheet. And i agree a different world. Many believed the company did that damage to its own airplane so the blame would go to the union...just rumor though

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim as I stated before that APA strike lasted 24 minutes. And it began at Midnight so it was over at 12:24 AM. Yes lot's of traveling being done at that time of the day. As for the AMFA strike being allowed didn't they walk while in BK and the replacements were primed, trained and ready to go? Yes they had a few hiccups but the other airlines were easily able to handle the overflow since there were still too many seats with not enough passengers to fill them.
 
Look at the list of airline strikes I provided and consider the years and circumstances surrounding them.

we were talking about releases, not strikes. You do know the difference, yes?

 

[WeAAsles]

I believe AMFA went on strike then NW filed chapter 11.

They did 700 and they also didn't go back to work under the terms given. They stayed out and eventually almost all were replaced. But NWA really really took advantage of those guys and they also knew that they would get no backing because they were not affiliated with anyone and also had a nasty history of raiding. Much the same thing IMO if Tim had ever been able to get his AGW thingie up and running. You buck the establishment and the establishment is going to pop out your eyes and leave you in the desert.