2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Wasn't that TA ratified by 70% of the members who voted on it? Over and over and over Tim keeps saying that the UA members are STUPID. That is exactly what I read into what Tim continues to say. The man who wants YOU to vote him in thinks you are STUPID. Stupid would be voting in a man who believes that you can't think for yourselves.

There you go quote mining me again since your arguments can't stand on anything.  What I said was that the union leadership lied to the United members in their contract presentations.  Yes they did. It's a fact and I posted some of it already on here. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

What I find astonishing is that Josh reflects Tim's agenda verbatim...
 
Notice how he now want's to talk about the UA agreement... the same one that 70% of voting UA Fleet Members ratified!
 
P.S. Si Robertson couldn't say it any better... that's a Fact Jack!

There you go again, 'get timmy'.  lol
 
Yet you can't answer a fairly simple question so I'll ask it again,  "Roabilly, did those officers who endorsed the United contract, prove their mettle?"  A simply Yes or No will do

 

[WeAAsles]

There you go quote mining me again since your arguments can't stand on anything.  What I said was that the union leadership lied to the United members in their contract presentations.  Yes they did. It's a fact and I posted some of it already on here.

Quote mining? Oh no Timmy. I'm stating it as FACT by your comments and what they elude to. You think ALL Union members are STUPID because they don't go along with the mandate set forth by the great Tim Nelson. Yes you think the members are STUPID and need your salvation.....

Not this member Loki.

 

[ograc]

cb  I like that scenario     walk out when the donkeys least notice that  

robbed,
The strategy is not new. In fact, the IBT and their leader Genoese used it quite effectively at PanAm. The IBT and Genoese once represented the US Fleet prior to the merger with Piedmont. At the time we had one of the best Fleet contracts in the industry. I know this was many years ago but there are some, still employed with US, who at the time led efforts to have the IBT decertified. We, as a collective group, are still trying to regain what was lost because of that monumental mistake.

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey Tim just saw your thread start on the UAL page dated Dec 17. Not a single response???? WOW! Talk about lonely. Doesn't bode well for that campaign of yours if you can't even get a nibble on that hook, lol.

Well keep at it man. You have nothing more to lose I guess.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Honestly guys I had never thought Nelson & Josh were the same (I don't read his posts) but I'm now beginning to wonder.
 
Harry

 

[WeAAsles]

Honestly guys I had never thought Nelson & Josh were the same (I don't read his posts) but I'm now beginning to wonder. Harry

He leaves plenty of bread crumbs to follow. He attempted a deception to lead people off the scent but it's not that difficult to do if you have at least a few supporters. I think they've all come around to the game now though.

Loki.

 

[ograc]

There were never any lies portrayed Tim. That is your constant interpretations of contract proposals when they are released to the membership. There is always a highlight sheet that shows the major things people are interested in. And we now have the tools available to us to discuss and disect the full contract language when it is published with numerous social media pages and also a page like this one. The membership has to at least have a small measure of responsibility to educate themselves to what they are signing don't you think?

And your name is constantly brought up because you are the one who continues to twist things to suit your needs. I swear sometimes it's like dealing with Loki or something.

The membership indeed must take ownership of what they agree to and ultimately ratify. If not; they are subject to being led to slaughter by their own lack of engagement, education and short sightedness. They are left to suffer the consequences of their lack of engagement and education. Left to grind their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.

 

[WeAAsles]

The membership indeed must take ownership of what they agree to and ultimately ratify. If not; they are subject to being led to slaughter by their own lack of engagement, education and short sightedness. They are left to suffer the consequences of their lack of engagement and education. Left to grind their teeth and blame everyone but themselves.

Nice. I like that. What I tell people is that I'll teach you how to fight and then fight alongside of you. I'm not here to wipe your nose or tie your shoes for you. That's what your mommy is for. Not me.

 

[ograc]

lol
No proceedings or process made your boys F over United.  7 stations under scope, unlimited part time, increased health care caps, no work rules, etc.  Obviously, the great majority of United members have had enough of your boys as they proved their mettle by blowing up the contract at HAL and UAL.  UAL was the big one where management and your boys teamed up to endorse a anti union agreement that will set the craft back 50 years.  
 
Your boys couldn't get endorsed in any of the top 8 locals. In fact, few of them even approached 20% of the nomination vote.  Most couldn't even get a home endorsement. And it wasn't because of me or anyone else.  They have themselves to blame. As far as the lies to get the contract through, I already posted a few of them but your eyes are shut. Lol
 
Tell us Roabilly, Yes or No,  did they prove their mettle with the United contract?  A simple yes or no will do.   lol.   Carry on Roabilly

Tim,
With all due respect; these very members who blame the current leadership for their new CBA are the very ones who ratified the agreement by a 70% margin. Watching the DL 141 membership at UA and sUS is kinda like watching a dog chase his tail. After 34 years I'm getting dizzy! Insanity at it's finest!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Honestly guys I had never thought Nelson & Josh were the same (I don't read his posts) but I'm now beginning to wonder.
 
Harry

harry, really?
Cmon maaaaannnn

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hey guys
Management is so excited not to give pay raises for the last two years and to forego stand alone talks just so we can trust everything will b ok in joint talks.

Imo this is perhaps the most shameful disrespectful action to our people in 30 years. Its like management considers our members as dogs. It is time we get some gosh darn respect around these parts. No F pay raise...not even a nickel for two years as management is making news for building mansions and cashing in millions of dollars.
Im pissed off and evrryone one of us should vote yes to strike and do whatever we can legally do to further our cause.
bring on the release!

 

[700UW]

Didnt you get a raise in 2012?
 
M&R got raises in 2012 and 2013, something unheard of getting raises after the amendable date, guess AH is pissed, lol

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey guysManagement is so excited not to give pay raises for the last two years and to forego stand alone talks just so we can trust everything will b ok in joint talks.Imo this is perhaps the most shameful disrespectful action to our people in 30 years. Its like management considers our members as dogs. It is time we get some gosh darn respect around these parts. No F pay raise...not even a nickel for two years as management is making news for building mansions and cashing in millions of dollars.Im pissed off and evrryone one of us should vote yes to strike and do whatever we can legally do to further our cause.bring on the release!

Wow could the guy have made an even grander attempt at changing the subject if he tried? Exposed for the fraud he is.

 

[ograc]

Hey guys
Management is so excited not to give pay raises for the last two years and to forego stand alone talks just so we can trust everything will b ok in joint talks.

Imo this is perhaps the most shameful disrespectful action to our people in 30 years. Its like management considers our members as dogs. It is time we get some gosh darn respect around these parts. No F pay raise...not even a nickel for two years as management is making news for building mansions and cashing in millions of dollars.
Im pissed off and evrryone one of us should vote yes to strike and do whatever we can legally do to further our cause.
bring on the release!

Management does consider the members as dogs. Dogs who have been repeatedly played. Dogs who have a history of self centered and shortsighted voting on contracts. Dogs who look only at hourly wage and sell out scope and the rest of the CBA language. Dogs, whose leadership in many cases, seems to be only concerned about dues flow. Dogs; who if thrown a piece of meat while gaurding the house, allow the intruder to rob the house of all of it's meaningful possesions. Until this group starts changing things we are destined to be treated in this manner. No Respect from management? Absolutely! Untli we start acting like an educated, engaged and solidified group; we will continue to earn none from management.