2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

TIM   how can the TWU file for SCS when its suppose to be a joint thing with the IAM and the TWU?   secondly  its my understanding that the TWU may or will support the IAM should we get released and into  a strike at the end of a 30 day cooling off period.   I also like how our NC is standing their grounds for SECT 6 talks before  JCBA       

Robbed
 
  You need to read the AA contract. TWU will not be able to honor our strike as far i i have researched, but maybe someone else has more info. Their contract is much more cut and dry compared to ours.
 
ONLY IF THEY WERE IN A RELEASE SITUATION WOULD THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY...( IMO )
 






[SIZE=12pt]ARTICLE 33 - NO STRIKE - NO LOCKOUT [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]It is the intent of the parties to this Agreement that the procedures in this Agreement will serve as a means of amicable settlement of all disputes that may arise between them, and, therefore: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](1) The Company will neither cause nor permit a lockout during the life of this Agreement, and [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](2) Neither the Union nor the employees will engage in a strike, sit-down, walkout, stoppage, slowdown, or curtailment of work for any reason during the life of this Agreement. [/SIZE]

 

[robbedagain]

thanks mike..    I have often wondered  if may be the long term plan of dp and ah is to some how some way get rid of the iam once and for all?   by the way they have done this  do you think this is probably their ultimate goal    which would then mean they would have the twu given the twu reputation at aa?

 

[mike33]

thanks mike..    I have often wondered  if may be the long term plan of dp and ah is to some how some way get rid of the iam once and for all?   by the way they have done this  do you think this is probably their ultimate goal    which would then mean they would have the twu given the twu reputation at aa?

Even though the twu has more members, it is highly unlikely that even with that language, the company would be able to operate with regularity. Obviously because it's 2 networks that are not fully combined yet. We will be our own worst enemy. By that i mean the co-workers who cross the picket line......I tell those who are on the fence. Sure, its sacrifice, welcome to the reality of getting 3-5$ raises.   This is what makes them wonder a little.....
 
People will always remember the bad things that are done, more so than the good. To this work group, not walking with us is a bad thing and labels last for years if not a career.  SCAB!

 

[700UW]

The language in your CBA states they can't use a wholly owned to perform struck work, and AA and US are both wholly owned by AAG.

 

[mike33]

Lets cut to the chase
 
WeAAsle,  being an AA employee, would you feel that language protects you in honoring a USAirways strike?

 

[WeAAsles]

Lets cut to the chase WeAAsle,  being an AA employee, would you feel that language protects you in honoring a USAirways strike?

Unless someone tells me otherwise we cannot honor your strike by joining it. Until there is a "Single Operating Certificate" we also cannot perform your work either in cities that the work hasn't been contracted to us. Those are cities where you aren't currently performing that work due to your contract language. We can though join your picket when we are not scheduled to be working.

The "No Lockout" does protect us in the company continuing to have to pay us even if there is no work. An example would be say if the Pilots went on strike. No planes would be flying but we still would still come to work and get paid. The company could not send us home.

Remember that until we again have that "Single Operating Certificate" unless we had a helping hand agreement we are two separate companies.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry typing from my phone.

I think it was NYer further back in the thread who stated how the company could get around it so we would have to perform "some" of your flights? Not much of it at all but some.

 

[mike33]

Unless someone tells me otherwise we cannot honor your strike by joining it. Until there is a "Single Operating Certificate" we also cannot perform your work either in cities that the work hasn't been contracted to us. Those are cities where you aren't currently performing that work due to your contract language. We can though join your picket when we are not scheduled to be working.

The "No Lockout" does protect us in the company continuing to have to pay us even if there is no work. An example would be say if the Pilots went on strike. No planes would be flying but we still would still come to work and get paid. The company could not send us home.

Remember that until we again have that "Single Operating Certificate" unless we had a helping hand agreement we are two separate companies.

Thats what i figured from the language also. Just wanted a str8 clarification. It does have language in ours but i don't think even though it says the company cannot perform struck work of wholly owned subsidiaries, we are not yet together as the company as i see it.

 

[mike33]

Unless someone tells me otherwise we cannot honor your strike by joining it. Until there is a "Single Operating Certificate" we also cannot perform your work either in cities that the work hasn't been contracted to us. 
 

I do agree with you. This SOC holds the company at bay till SOC is achieved. Seems like a lot of things are coming together at once maybe. That is a good thing for our Sec-6 talks.

 

[robbedagain]

thanks mike    its not hard hard to figure out who would and wouldn't scab    as for me  id rather walk the line til we get sect 6 negogiated   tired of company bs and that's all it is...   

 

[mike33]

This is why our Q and A needs to be more of a direct manner. People get paid to answer the tough questions. 

 

[Kev3188]

Unless someone tells me otherwise we cannot honor your strike by joining it.

"Cannot" and "choose not to" are two entirely different things.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The language in your CBA states they can't use a wholly owned to perform struck work, and AA and US are both wholly owned by AAG.

the reality of the situation is that the contract language you quoted will not be in existence if on strike. In any post cooling off period, under any situation, an imposed contract would be in place unless an agreement or extention is agreed to.

 

[mike33]

the reality of the situation is that the contract language you quoted will not be in existence if on strike. In any post cooling off period, under any situation, an imposed contract would be in place unless an agreement or extention is agreed to.

never thought of that.  But the TWU still must adhere to their language.

 

[WeAAsles]

"Cannot" and "choose not to" are two entirely different things.

"Cannot!" Under a legal strike when it is over You would by law come back to work with no vengeance. I on the other hand would NOT come back to work as I would be in violation of my CBA if the company chooses to can my arse.