2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

To 700 only:
 
For argument sake, although no us airways member was allowed in the last negotiating session, but assuming Delaney told the truth [no known reason to deny], then AH proposal was 1% over 3 years.  We also would know that the union's offer is in AH's hands to evaluate.  Let's say AH's response, especially after reading these pages, ups his offer to only 3% over two years.  Wouldn't that show movement and postpone any presumed  NMB release?  I'm a bit fuzzy over this part but I believe if AH moves upward and shows movement, if only a small trickle, then the NMB will stay out of any release.  If that is true, then this could further delay things, yes? 

 

[700UW]

It shows movement on one issue, there are six.

But the NMB, knows the games he plays, so I doubt it's a serious offer or movement.

 

[700UW]

I'm just grateful MIA is a TWU station, unfortunately BOS will be IAM. Ideally I'd prefer no merger and no alliance.

Josh

It doesnt matter what you prefer, you are not an executive of either airline.
 
And the merger is done, get use to it.
 
And whether one station is IAM or TWU doesnt matter to you, if you are truly just a passenger.

 

[robbedagain]

how does a financial person  in particular  a jp morgan dude know whether or not 1 station is a TWU  vs another being IAM
 
secondly  I do not recall mia being a twu for the us side folks  

 

[ograc]

To 700 only:
 
For argument sake, although no us airways member was allowed in the last negotiating session, but assuming Delaney told the truth [no known reason to deny], then AH proposal was 1% over 3 years.  We also would know that the union's offer is in AH's hands to evaluate.  Let's say AH's response, especially after reading these pages, ups his offer to only 3% over two years.  Wouldn't that show movement and postpone any presumed  NMB release?  I'm a bit fuzzy over this part but I believe if AH moves upward and shows movement, if only a small trickle, then the NMB will stay out of any release.  If that is true, then this could further delay things, yes? 

Yes it's movement. A trickle at best but a show of movement to further delay negotiations and an ultimate release.

 

[ograc]

It shows movement on one issue, there are six. But the NMB, knows the games he plays, so I doubt it's a serious offer or movement.

Remember... the NMB's goal is to bring the parties to an agreement. However long that takes isn't a concern of the NMB. To them this movement, as slight as it is, would justify further negotiations before ruling on a release.

 

[ograc]

It shows movement on one issue, there are six. But the NMB, knows the games he plays, so I doubt it's a serious offer or movement.

Likewise, AH knows the games the NMB plays. He knows how to play the NMB to further the agenda of the company. Know the enemy.The only two who respect the Marines are fellow Marines and their enemy.

 

[WeAAsles]

Remember... the NMB's goal is to bring the parties to an agreement. However long that takes isn't a concern of the NMB. To them this movement, as slight as it is, would justify further negotiations before ruling on a release.

Exactly.

 

[700UW]

how does a financial person  in particular  a jp morgan dude know whether or not 1 station is a TWU  vs another being IAM
 
secondly  I do not recall mia being a twu for the us side folks  

Its in the Alliance Agreement which is available online from 141 and 142.

 

[737823]

Its in the Alliance Agreement which is available online from 141 and 142.

I wonder who will work the express flying at BOS. Eagle had separate crews until Eagle left the LGA and YYZ flights in 2011 and mainline 738s took over JFK. Maybe I should put a call out to LL 1726. Who currently handles US express? It's a small operation only a few flights to places like BUF, PIT, ROC, SYR, etc

Josh

 

[ograc]

I know the posters on this forum are limited to current members of the IAM Fleet Service CBA, IAM members who may be under the IAM DL 142 US MTC. & Related CBA, retirees from US DL 141 and DL 142 CBAs, members from the UA DL 141 represented group, TWU represented members from AA and those who allegedly have no affiliation with the forementioned. Although our numbers are limited; I believe we collectively bring a great amount of knowledge and past experience to the table. I believe we collectively have a finger on the pulse of what is in the best interest of the membership (both IAM & TWU) and what the membership seeks going forward. Additionally, I believe each of us has a strong influence on the members' opinions and actions. With that being said... I would ask the members of this forum to weigh in on this proposed strategy of the NC bringing the latest proposal, submitted to the NMB from US, back to the members of Fleet Service for their review and conducting a subsequent strike vote. Let's weigh in. Good strategy or not?  

 

[700UW]

If you want a release, you wait until the board declares the impasse, then you vote on the final offer and a strike vote at the same time.
 
If they IAM was to bring out something that they didnt agree too unless there is an impasse it would be a waste of time on voting on something that is not an agreement nor a final offer.
 
So unless there is a TA, I wouldnt bring anything out for a vote unless the board declares an impasse.

 

[ograc]

If you want a release, you wait until the board declares the impasse, then you vote on the final offer and a strike vote at the same time.
 
If they IAM was to bring out something that they didnt agree too unless there is an impasse it would be a waste of time on voting on something that is not an agreement nor a final offer.
 
So unless there is a TA, I wouldnt bring anything out for a vote unless the board declares an impasse.

Duly noted 700!

 

[freedom]

Ograc 
 
700 is right .....
 
and NMB will never release us.
 
we need to break this closed ciricle and its not going to come from the NMB.
 
AH's game plan is a simple one that weve seen time and time again....it shoukdnt be this hard to beat a team of negitoiators who use the same tatics over and over again .

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't see how bringing a company proposal back for a vote and strike vote, to authorize and confirm that there is an impasse is a bad thing between the next two months of ice.  In fact, I don't see how it changes the NC position that there is an impasse.  Bringing the nasty proposal back just confirms what the NC has said.  At any rate, food for thought.