2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[ograc]

Tim,
 
Why do you have to talk s**t to anyone who disagrees with you? Why can't you state your thoughts and ideas and if someone disagrees why threaten to out them if you were right? 
 
P. Rez  

Desperate lashing out from an opposition candidate who's election chances may be diminishing.

 

[Tim Nelson]

If this is true, why as Chairman hasn't anyone brought up charges of dereliction of duty?
Section 1 says that Grievances that can't be settled by the Local Committee are referred to Delaney. If he knows all the outstanding grievances and hasn't acted on them with unnecessary delay, the buck should stop there.
It's within our Union Rights to make representatives accountable.
Delaney should be accountable. Am I wrong?

The column of power means that most local chairman don't challenge the AGC"s otherwise they get alienated.  Maybe Charlie Brown can answer why his group fails to uphold the bylaws.  Charlie?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Desperate lashing out from an opposition candidate who's election chances may be diminishing.

You must not know what the union moved on in the last round of negotiations. Small stations like blaming hubs, but the reality is that your station and all small stations voted for the last agreement, other than ORD, TPA, CLT, PHL.

 

[charlie Brown]

Bingo! How ironic... Tim’s actions ultimately lead to creating a situation that lead to a few great, dedicated Union Representatives getting axed!
 
This is why I swore I would always consider candidates from ALL slates before voting...

Even if people think we we need to replace certain district people. We should learn our lesson and never replace a whole ticket. All we do is spend the next two years figuring out who is in over their heads and then taking years cleaning up their mess. I understand the need to run tickets. The US side is sooo outnumbered we would never get elected if we didn't join forces on a ticket with UA people. But we should be double slating the people that's doing their jobs. I know people will say, but they won't campaign for my ticket so I'm not double slating them. Truth is, only about half the people on a ticket actually do any campaigning anyway. Until we start learning from our past mistakes and change some things we do, we are never going to get where we need to be at the district level, because certain people wants to start us over every two years. IMO a person that would run a true slate of people doing their jobs which would mean double slating a lot of people would gain huge respect and leverage from the membership.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Even if people think we we need to replace certain district people. We should learn our lesson and never replace a whole ticket. All we do is spend the next two years figuring out who is in over their heads and then taking years cleaning up their mess. I understand the need to run tickets. The US side is sooo outnumbered we would never get elected if we didn't join forces on a ticket with UA people. But we should be double slating the people that's doing their jobs. I know people will say, but they won't campaign for my ticket so I'm not double slating them. Truth is, only about half the people on a ticket actually do any campaigning anyway. Until we start learning from our past mistakes and change some things we do, we are never going to get where we need to be at the district level, because certain people wants to start us over every two years. IMO a person that would run a true slate of people doing their jobs which would mean double slating a lot of people would gain huge respect and leverage from the membership.

What the members want is a fair agreement.  I got a simple suggestion and it should take care of all elections.....stop endorsing stupid **** contracts.  And how about bringing the proposal back to the members so they can see what the hell you guys are up to?  Management sees all the proposals, why can't the members see at least one?   And stop the dopey talk about a release.  It isn't happening.  There has never even been an impasse ruled on.  Stop the bull **** and then maybe the membership will get more involved.

 

[charlie Brown]

The column of power means that most local chairman don't challenge the AGC"s otherwise they get alienated.  Maybe Charlie Brown can answer why his group fails to uphold the bylaws.  Charlie?

To be honest I didn't know it was a issue. Also as chairman of clt we keep full records of all our grievances whether they are solved or outstanding, as do most grievance committees I'm pretty sure. I don't care for anyone to update me on grievances, I have the updates, as do most chairman I think. Plus many of is communicate by text or whatever if we want to know how another city has handled a situation. I think the age of text and email has kinda made that by-law obsolete for what it was intended for. I think it's just a issue for the politics part. But I have no problem bringing any issue up at the conference if it's a true issue.

 

[ograc]

Miller was there.  He is no Joe Mac, nobody was.  Miller isn't a management guy but he is soft.  He pretty much just wants everyone to get along.  You can thank him for the 2008 agreement, and United can thank him for endorsing their agreement.  He either is naïve to labor or simply doesn't care. Our membership removed him before when he was running with Canale.

Tim. Cool down. Your political agenda is becoming painfully apparent. Vote for me and I'll set you free Brothers and Sisters. Everyone on the current leadership team is to blame for past agreements being ratified by the membership. 6 years ago; according to you, everyone on the Canale Team were to blame for the current conditions of the Fleet and you campaigned in support of the very team you are currently throwing under the bus. When you state Steve Miller is either naive to labor or simply doesn't care you have demonstrated to what lows and falsehoods you are willing to sink to and spread in an effort to get yourself elected. Enough! At this critical time in negotiations, when we should be demonstrating solidarity for the betterment of the membership, you continue to sow the seeds of dissention for your own gain. Character check. 

 

[charlie Brown]

What the members want is a fair agreement.  I got a simple suggestion and it should take care of all elections.....stop endorsing stupid #### contracts.  And how about bringing the proposal back to the members so they can see what the hell you guys are up to?  Management sees all the proposals, why can't the members see at least one?   And stop the dopey talk about a release.  It isn't happening.  There has never even been an impasse ruled on.  Stop the bull #### and then maybe the membership will get more involved.

Tim
Let me ask you a simple question about showing all proposals like you think you would do. Let's say your part of a negotiating team and your telling the company how you need certain things and how your members demand it. And now a proposal comes out, and it barely gets voted down by the membership. As a negotiator, what do you think you just did to your chances of getting anything better that you told the company you needed for the members?ill tell ya. You just blew your chances of getting anything close to what you want, because the company will be saying from the vote " well we don't think we're very far off". The negotiating team like PRez says is very in tune with the membership. We know what we need and demand. Staying on here all day is just one example of how we stay tuned in. The membership will get to see the proposal before they vote on it, but only after the NC believes we have squeezed out everything we possibly can from the company.

 

[roabilly]

Tim
Let me ask you a simple question about showing all proposals like you think you would do. Let's say your part of a negotiating team and your telling the company how you need certain things and how your members demand it. And now a proposal comes out, and it barely gets voted down by the membership. As a negotiator, what do you think you just did to your chances of getting anything better that you told the company you needed for the members?ill tell ya. You just blew your chances of getting anything close to what you want, because the company will be saying from the vote " well we don't think we're very far off". The negotiating team like PRez says is very in tune with the membership. We know what we need and demand. Staying on here all day is just one example of how we stay tuned in. The membership will get to see the proposal before they vote on it, but only after the NC believes we have squeezed out everything we possibly can from the company.

Nelson knows this, but like everything else... he uses it as political tactic to make everyone believe that the N/C and/or the Leadership is “hiding” something. I agree with Cargo... this man will go to any length, and say anything to discredit those in power so he can assume the same power...

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,
 
As far as close out letters go, if the case is heard at step 3 or higher they get resolved, appealed or close out letters. My GC is very aware of grievances outstanding, which BTW is around 12 or so at step 4. The grievants are kept informed on the status of their grievances as well when at step 4.
 
P. Rez   

 

[robbedagain]

Thanks cb 700 and others regarding steve. I knew I remembered him during my BOS days and big Joe too. They looked out for us big time and made darn sure to keep mgmt in check

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim. Cool down. Your political agenda is becoming painfully apparent. Vote for me and I'll set you free Brothers and Sisters. Everyone on the current leadership team is to blame for past agreements being ratified by the membership. 6 years ago; according to you, everyone on the Canale Team were to blame for the current conditions of the Fleet and you campaigned in support of the very team you are currently throwing under the bus. When you state Steve Miller is either naive to labor or simply doesn't care you have demonstrated to what lows and falsehoods you are willing to sink to and spread in an effort to get yourself elected. Enough! At this critical time in negotiations, when we should be demonstrating solidarity for the betterment of the membership, you continue to sow the seeds of dissention for your own gain. Character check. 

lol.  Not sowing anything other than making folks aware that Miller brought us back the 2008 POS agreement and also endorsed the United contract. Have a nice day.

 

[700UW]

Miller was one man, he wasnt behind the whole CBA.
 
And you have done more damage than anyone.
 
92 blood bath was your fault.
 
So going to ignore how bad your handpicked AGC Mike Crowell was?
 
You pushed Delaney into office and when you got fired you got sour grapes.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

The only thing your NC should bring back to the membership is an endorsed TA.
 
If they bring back every management proposal to the membership for debate what is the purpose of having a negotiation committee?  At that point may as well let management negotiate directly with the employees.
 
Bringing the proposal back is counterproductive because the shortsighted will fixate on dollars,holidays and vacation time and nothing more.
 
Never mind the fact Reverend Nelson will sermonize about the failings of the NC that he alone can clearly see and if duly elected, rectify.

 

[Other People]

So you won't honor the US members and let their voice be heard if they speak by their vote that they don't want you?? And Tim most of the UA people that support you, don't know you, and the ones that do, would sale their sole to the devil for a position. The UA people will eventually come around like most of the US people that knows you have done. In fact since you think it's important for people to see what their own think of them. Maybe your UA fans should check out the US cities and how they vote for you.

I'm united Chicago and all of us know Timmy here, it's hard not to.  He is totally eccentric and maybe that was part of what cost him my vote last time, but Timmy and U4C is our choice this time. He offers us a fighter that we don't currently have, and is fearless, bright, and extremely accessible. To his credit, he also joined a ticket of highly respected candidates who have always had the members first.  I'd have him handle my arbitration any day of the week and I'd feel very comfortable knowing he is in negotiations.   
 
If you endorsed my contract then that tells me all I have to know about you, and you didn't do yourself any favors running with 141 rising.  I really don't think they stand a chance in any of our stations and the only way 141 rising wins is if they steal the election through fraud.  We are coming out very strong this time and I have never seen so many of my coworkers so pissed off.  I'd say at least 2,000 votes again, and I haven't talked to one person in my breakroom that plans on voting for 141 rising.  If they get more than 100 votes in my entire station then I'd be surprised.