2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[737823]

Are saying there is an agreement between the CWA membership and management?????????
Please provide details. You know of an agreement is this breaking news form the CWA leadership coming for YOU? You must provide information to this new agreement since you are in the know

 
Talking about the agreement from 08/2013.  
 
Josh

 

[700UW]

This is about US Fleet Service, not the CWA and CSA or RES

 

[john john]

Talking about the agreement from 08/2013.  
 
Josh

You are a jokester
There never was or never is a agreement between the CWA membership and management

 

[john john]

This is about US Fleet Service, not the CWA and CSA or RES

OH I am sorry it thought it was about YOU

 

[700UW]

And you are not being honest, the CWA and US had a LOA agreed to for a new CBA last summer, the members were going to vote on it,the CWA pulled it after the DOJ filed the lawsuit against the merger.

 

[WeAAsles]

Your TWU contracts are a hard sell trying to get new union members. Maybe CWA can make you look bad

I think you may be under the false impression that I'm putting down the CWA Which is very far off the mark at what I was getting at in the context of the conversation. Actually the CWA is absolutely the strongest union out there today. From what I've seen they are the only one's really gaining members and are minting money into their coffers. I've seen Larry Cohen on the news outlets and think he is doing a great job at fighting back against the forces out to destroy all Unions here in the US.

As for your comment about the TWU you are in error. They have been doing a pretty good job at organizing local bus companies and basically have almost a lock on Vegas card dealers. And I wish the IAM well in their vote to represent Spirit Airlines.

Maybe before you make a comment that is only designed to be confrontational you should ask the poster to explain his meaning if you do not understand it? It would serve you better in the future I can assure you.

 

[737823]

CWA thrives on low paid customer service employees at Piedmont and USAIR.  They caved during the 2011 strike.
 
Josh

 

[rockit2]

nothing is against your boy fairbanks allowing you to go ahead and put out a highlight but you already know it would be the same one as mine. Why did fairbanks demand that you remove "lock and load"?. The members want to know.

Because Mr. Nelson........................PUPPETS do as they are told.

 

[robbedagain]

not true Josh for US folks... lets see  they got snap backs  PS holidays etc

 

[T5towbar]

It's a matter of opinion to say that United was going to do it anyways.  One thing that we do know is that the sUA ramp had all ramp work under scope at all ramp stations.

Before Bankruptcy and the hammer of the Judge?

  If there was one jet flight at the station, then it was our ramp. So, we do know that BUF, SLC, and DTW would NOT have been contracted out if the TA didn't pass since we can say with certainty that all of that work was union work until it was voided by the TA. 

Are you also here talking about the Judges Hammer? We maybe should change the language for TA here to FU,A or SOOL,A ????

Going from 29 protected ramp stations down to 7 is disappointing.   Maybe the common ground that me and you may have on this is that we both can admit that only having 7 ramp stations under scope is a bit alarming. I mean, even large stations like New York and Boston have no scope. 

Absolutely agree. And I blame the ultra morons in the past who were too stupid not to join a Union and get a freakin CBA under there belt. I'll never say that they got what they deserve but they did get what should have been expected.

A point of clarification:

1. At the time of the 2009 Agreement, that was true that the 29 stations would be covered. My hub would have been covered. The issue that hurt many people was the Cross-Utilized stations that could have been covered. All the 2009 Agreement had to do was cover IAH and it would have worked. Why wasn't that agreement used as a baseline for the talks? And forced those Cross members to go from either PCE or RSE. (When the buyouts happened, those members chose the PCE, and met that tiered payout, and not the ramp)

2. As far as the so called "morons" who were too "stupid" not to get an agreement.
We took a big risk becoming union. WE also knew that a merger was coming up. After failed drive after drive, the cuts in 2008 was the case that put us over the top. Problem was it was the IBT and not the IAM. To this day, I personally have a bone to pick with the IAM, because if they would have focused some, (and I do me SOME) effort not a lot but some, they could have won an EASY election. We were ready, and the pieces were in place to win. People were on the ground and the Union cause was finally able to take hold. I personally knew some people who was talking to the IAM and efforts was made to put a drive together. Problem was that the IAM can't multitask. At that time, they was trying to organize Delta,(which in my opinion is nearly impossible - sorry KEV.) AND deal with a Boeing strike. Bottom line was it was there for the taking and minimal resources could have been put in. When Delaney and Bartz came to EWR during a roadshow, and were talking to members and handing out paraphernalia, I personally asked both of them that question. Delaney said that they had "other things" they were working on. (ie: DL) Of course I wasn't satisfied with my answere but did not get a chance to follow up, since people was asking questions. So they ignored us and the IBT swooped in since they had the mechanics. So a hastily patched contract (mainly the FTW Handbook) was put together and once someone filed for single carrier, a better deal could be made, whoever won the election. All of this could have been solved if we on the sCO ramp side could have been IAM members from the start. Another problem was the Passenger Service agents upstairs. They were strongly anti-union, since the company treated them better. The threat of outsourcing didn't affect them as much. So I guess to get those members, they had a nasty election and the the IAM prevailed, so that may have put some pressure on the negotiations as well. I don't know how much, but the "give and take" of the negotiations seems one-sided to me. What besides Cargo was given up to start the baseline at FTW instead of the 09 Agreement? That in affect was and is the downfall in itself. That's a concession filled agreement, and you take that away? I guess it was the dollar amount that the company offered???

There is a lot more to this than some people know.

 

[700UW]

I spoke to someone in the know and Tim isnt getting his information from anyone on the committee, he has to be either getting it from Hemenway or making it up.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I spoke to someone in the know and Tim isnt getting his information from anyone on the committee, he has to be either getting it from Hemenway or making it up.

No, I am not getting information from AH, and no I am not making it up.  Yes, I am getting it from someone in a position to know.  That's all I will say and you aren't baiting me to tell you if he is on the committee or not, as that certainly will root him out.  Yes, he is playing his cards right and, no he isn't a big Delaney fan. Like I said,  prepare for a specific highlight sheet because our members want to know.  They can decide if it is good enough for them.  You can also put out a highlight sheet as well or better yet, just have the union put out the last proposal.  You and I both know what is on the table and the dopey installment plan merging the wage into AMR wage in 2015 is weak.  Our members want to know, and they are going to find out.
 
You need to go tell TR to knock it off with the no-layoff plan substituting for scope as well. And, please, no meeting AH halfway on scope concessions.  56 means 56, not 84 or 98.
He is going backwards when him and delaney should have grandfathered all current stations. These guys are killing our craft over the last 6 years. Killing it.  Cripes, our bankrupt contract is looking better than what these dopes are dicking around with.

 

[Tim Nelson]

From www.unifiedforchange.org
 
David Hughes, US AIr, PHX, Lead 6+yrs, Ramp

It is absolutely unacceptable that negotiations have gone on this far without a contract and we still have nothing. All I have heard are false promises.

Being that we are the strongest and most powerful we will ever be as a union group it is time to take a stand which is why I would like to voice my support for entire Unified For Change slate in particular Artie Valdez in Phoenix.

 

[WeAAsles]

A point of clarification:

1. At the time of the 2009 Agreement, that was true that the 29 stations would be covered. My hub would have been covered. The issue that hurt many people was the Cross-Utilized stations that could have been covered. All the 2009 Agreement had to do was cover IAH and it would have worked. Why wasn't that agreement used as a baseline for the talks? And forced those Cross members to go from either PCE or RSE. (When the buyouts happened, those members chose the PCE, and met that tiered payout, and not the ramp)

2. As far as the so called "morons" who were too "stupid" not to get an agreement.
We took a big risk becoming union. WE also knew that a merger was coming up. After failed drive after drive, the cuts in 2008 was the case that put us over the top. Problem was it was the IBT and not the IAM. To this day, I personally have a bone to pick with the IAM, because if they would have focused some, (and I do me SOME) effort not a lot but some, they could have won an EASY election. We were ready, and the pieces were in place to win. People were on the ground and the Union cause was finally able to take hold. I personally knew some people who was talking to the IAM and efforts was made to put a drive together. Problem was that the IAM can't multitask. At that time, they was trying to organize Delta,(which in my opinion is nearly impossible - sorry KEV.) AND deal with a Boeing strike. Bottom line was it was there for the taking and minimal resources could have been put in. When Delaney and Bartz came to EWR during a roadshow, and were talking to members and handing out paraphernalia, I personally asked both of them that question. Delaney said that they had "other things" they were working on. (ie: DL) Of course I wasn't satisfied with my answere but did not get a chance to follow up, since people was asking questions. So they ignored us and the IBT swooped in since they had the mechanics. So a hastily patched contract (mainly the FTW Handbook) was put together and once someone filed for single carrier, a better deal could be made, whoever won the election. All of this could have been solved if we on the sCO ramp side could have been IAM members from the start. Another problem was the Passenger Service agents upstairs. They were strongly anti-union, since the company treated them better. The threat of outsourcing didn't affect them as much. So I guess to get those members, they had a nasty election and the the IAM prevailed, so that may have put some pressure on the negotiations as well. I don't know how much, but the "give and take" of the negotiations seems one-sided to me. What besides Cargo was given up to start the baseline at FTW instead of the 09 Agreement? That in affect was and is the downfall in itself. That's a concession filled agreement, and you take that away? I guess it was the dollar amount that the company offered???

There is a lot more to this than some people know.

T5 thank you very much for your assessment and insight regarding your story. Admittedly before the merger I did not know much and still know very little about the dynamics within the other airline groups. Bit's and pieces mostly that I'm now trying to cobble together for a more accurate picture.

Please don't be offended by the "Morons" comment. I know there are plenty of non organized members within our industry that are just as frustrated and puzzled why anyone would not prefer a CBA to having their pants down. I personally know some CWA organizers who tell me that some of our agents biggest concern is that they don't want to pay Union dues???? SMH.

In the last campaign to organize the AA agents when the CWA lost by 150 votes they were done with them. They were never going to try again because they spent a ton of money on that campaign and were sure it was a lock. The merger is the only reason they are going at it again. They have a duty to the Usair agents to try and keep them organized. I do try and help them when and where I can. I hope through the BK and the still continuing losses to their group they've finally learned their lesson?

 

[pjirish317]

 

It's happening!
Phone been blowing up all day with members from coast to coast starting to rally to vote against these worthless leaders we currently have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqV7DB8Iwg

 
Time to get the unskilled deadweight out of office and clean up the mess.
 

tim,
 
What about your boys from PHX and PHL? Wouldn't they be considered "unskilled" also. Cripes, neither of them have ever done ANY grievance work at all. And your asking us to vote for them because they are "good" guys. Come on man.