2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Is there a reason why they didn't put you in negotiations? Why not give you a chance to clean it up as you say? As is, it seems like there is mass confusion. One day we talk strike, the next day they talk progress. Nobody seems to be home as us members suffer and are left out.  You got my attention on catering now but why did they give that up? Is that the give and take part where we get higher wages but catering has to pay for it?

i cant speak for delaney but i assume the biggest reason is because he is up management ass.
I didnt say they already gave catering up. What i said was that there was different scope "pick'ems".

IMO, the current negotiation environment doesnt lend to any concessions but that it supports building in more scope. Why they decided to cave in on increasing scope? Dunno but imo it has everything to do with their lack of skills and their cost neutral mindset.

 

[P. REZ]

Is there a reason why they didn't put you in negotiations? Why not give you a chance to clean it up as you say? As is, it seems like there is mass confusion. One day we talk strike, the next day they talk progress. Nobody seems to be home as us members suffer and are left out.  You got my attention on catering now but why did they give that up? Is that the give and take part where we get higher wages but catering has to pay for it?

IAM Member Here,
 
Let me be clear, there is no ta to bring out but as things currently stand your NC would recommend a rejection. Tim is not accurate about catering or tower. We have not given up on scope protections and continue to fight for what is right. I have posted on here before that I would support TN having a chance to be on a negotiation committee, then he would see what takes place. I get the the frustrations but I have heard from members that they want us to fight.
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

You will lose CLT with politics if you don't put anything out.  We have been hearing some disturbing things and if the leadership doesn't want to recommend a rejection then that tells us something isn't right. It's pretty clear that management is thinking we are all dirt and that's one thing you and nelson have said but at least nelson is willing to put out what management thinks of us. If you don't then that just looks really bad and puts up a red flag.

Thats what i been telling you guys. There is a reason why they withold this from us. They already have a deal but they want it to pass. They know you wont like it but they intend to bull rush it on you after they attempt to hoodwink voters. Something is wrong and you are smelling it.
Even though they know their deal sucks they will say that they got all that was available and you will have nothing else to vote on for years if u turn it down. They will also say that they will "fix" scope and wage in joint talks.
I hope more of you start listening because that team already screwed us in 2008 and are now ready to make further concessions for a few days off and a bump in pay.

 

[mike33]

+1
in fairness to prez, he isnt the only negotiator. Ive been telling them that they should put it out to the membership, however, imo, they are intimidated by management not to and would much rather put out an acceptance recommendation and sell it on fear that if you vote against it then u wont vote for ta2 for years.

Still waiting for it from you!!!

 

[mike33]

 Tim Nelson & Al Hemenway = " Divide and Conquer "
 
NC =  " Keep Negotiating "
 
Membership =  " Stay Strong and Solid "

 

[mike33]

Is there a reason why they didn't put you in negotiations? Why not give you a chance to clean it up as you say? As is, it seems like there is mass confusion. One day we talk strike, the next day they talk progress. Nobody seems to be home as us members suffer and are left out.  You got my attention on catering now but why did they give that up? Is that the give and take part where we get higher wages but catering has to pay for it?

Tim
 
  Where do you get all these email addresses to use in profiles...??

 

[Jester]

 
I organized to get the TWU in at AW and have done nothing but fight management for the 27 years I have worked here so when AV is telling everyone that I will go into management if I lose, it pisses me off. That would be the dumbest thing ever to leave a represented group to be an at will employee.

PRez,
 
The word around PHX is that you are alittle too close to Management and the rumor is that you are involved with boating and golfing gatherings with Managers and/or Supervisors.  I am not going to believe any conspiracies, but based upon my observations, you seem to have a rather unique ability to call for a meeting with Management on short notice... might that suggest Managers are being respectful (doubtful), they are scared of you (questionable) or they are off-duty friends (hmmm... maybe)?
 
Might you please state for the record that you have no outside, non-professional contact to Managers or Supervisors during your private time?

 

[P. REZ]

PRez,
 
The word around PHX is that you are alittle too close to Management and the rumor is that you are involved with boating and golfing gatherings with Managers and/or Supervisors.  I am not going to believe any conspiracies, but based upon my observations, you seem to have a rather unique ability to call for a meeting with Management on short notice... might that suggest Managers are being respectful (doubtful), they are scared of you (questionable) or they are off-duty friends (hmmm... maybe)?
 
Might you please state for the record that you have no outside, non-professional contact to Managers or Supervisors during your private time?

Jester,
 
Too close to management? Absolutely not, per the contract I have the ability to go into every area on a moments notice. Meetings are not easily attained with management but I hunt for them when issues need addressed. I do not like most management and only tolerate a few that seem willing to listen to concerns. Most managers talk down to employees which is not acceptable.Talk to any past or present Grievance Committee person as to whether I get along with management or fight. I believe that every one of them will state that I am a fighter and don't back down on anything. You would have to ask them though. 
 
As for boating and golfing, haven't done either for 7 or 8 years and then that was with family and some long time ramp friends. I have never been out socially with any manager. I did go to a Christmas party about 12 years ago but did not socialize with any managers there. When I was President of TWU, I did Habitat for Humanity twice for the cause only. 
 
I will state, on record, that I will not nor have I ever socialized with management. I know you don't know me very well but I would discuss this or any issue with you at any time. I will also say that this bs being spread is dirty politics.
 
P. Rez

 

[Jester]

P.Rez,
 
I will take you at your word and I appreciate your immediate candor on the matter.  I am sure that if people know something to the contrary, it will be revealed, as I believe your complete rejection of the noton would be a lie as it would be a stupid move politically.

 

[ograc]

Is there a reason why they didn't put you in negotiations? Why not give you a chance to clean it up as you say? As is, it seems like there is mass confusion. One day we talk strike, the next day they talk progress. Nobody seems to be home as us members suffer and are left out.  You got my attention on catering now but why did they give that up? Is that the give and take part where we get higher wages but catering has to pay for it?

Why is the company going after catering jobs in the hubs for higher wages any different than the company going after the jobs in outline stations for higher wages? This give and take issue has just now gotten your attention? With all due respect; may I ask how many years have you been working for this company? We go through this witch hunt for jobs every time the company comes to the table. Keep in mind... nobody pays to get higher wages unless the membership says so and ratifies. It's time the membership says "NO" to giving up members' jobs in exchange for higher wages for those who remain. If the leadership can't deliver this message it will be up to the membership! 

 

[mike33]

catering is up for grabs in a game of pick'em supposedly the offer is 12 flights or catering and tower as a concession for higher pay with a counter no layoof letter. Nobody has thus far agreed to it and although i wouldnt be surprise, i still find it hard to think these guys would be steamrolled that bad.

Still waiting for that term sheet...not wikis' yours..

 

[Tim Nelson]

Jester,
 
Too close to management? Absolutely not, per the contract I have the ability to go into every area on a moments notice. Meetings are not easily attained with management but I hunt for them when issues need addressed. I do not like most management and only tolerate a few that seem willing to listen to concerns. Most managers talk down to employees which is not acceptable.Talk to any past or present Grievance Committee person as to whether I get along with management or fight. I believe that every one of them will state that I am a fighter and don't back down on anything. You would have to ask them though. 
 
As for boating and golfing, haven't done either for 7 or 8 years and then that was with family and some long time ramp friends. I have never been out socially with any manager. I did go to a Christmas party about 12 years ago but did not socialize with any managers there. When I was President of TWU, I did Habitat for Humanity twice for the cause only. 
 
I will state, on record, that I will not nor have I ever socialized with management. I know you don't know me very well but I would discuss this or any issue with you at any time. I will also say that this bs being spread is dirty politics.
 
P. Rez

you didnt answer his question. He said manager or supervisor. I get the answer about the manager but what about supervisors? Me thinks you better answer this one correctly or u gonna look fairly bad imo.

And its not dirty politics. All the east guys who went out west thought you were a real problem since your station operates with a helluva lot more leeway with management.
Just answer yes or no about the supervisor question.

 

[700UW]

Kinda like taking a cruise on the last week of the UA vote and tally, hmm who would have done that?

 

[P. REZ]

you didnt answer his question. He said manager or supervisor. Me thinks you better answer this one correctly or u gonna look fairly bad imo.

And its not dirty politics. All the east guys who went out west thought you were a real problem since your station operates with a helluva lot more leeway with management.
Just answer yes or no about the supervisor question.

Tim,
 
Seriously, all management including supervisors, managers, directors, vp's, labor, all. Tim, we obviously disagree with each other but to play dirty politics is bs. Call me out for not doing my job, not hearsay. I always do station visits, I brief in all breakrooms, I reply to questions, phone calls, e-mails in a timely matter. I send close out letters.
 
Tim, I will bring you or AV into any meeting with any management type any time, the offer is there. I have nothing to hide.  
 
P. Rez     

 

[737823]

Kinda like taking a cruise on the last week of the UA vote and tally, hmm who would have done that?

So what IAM won at UA. If he hadn't taken the cruise and the IAM lost you would have blamed Tim. And funny you said the dues from sCO Passenger Service are minimal, my source (not Tim) says otherwise.

Josh