2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Seriously, all management including supervisors, managers, directors, vp's, labor, all. Tim, we obviously disagree with each other but to play dirty politics is bs. Call me out for not doing my job, not hearsay. I always do station visits, I brief in all breakrooms, I reply to questions, phone calls, e-mails in a timely matter. I send close out letters.
 
Tim, I will bring you or AV into any meeting with any management type any time, the offer is there. I have nothing to hide.  
 
P. Rez

The difference is that all u do is bullshit and lie about me but your own members in phx do think you are too close to management. Im not interested in talking to your column of leadership as ive talked to enuf from the masses.
Thanks for your invitation but i think ill take a pass to go in management offices with you. Nothing personal.

 

[P. REZ]

The difference is that all u do is bullshit and lie about me but your own members in phx do think you are too close to management. Im not interested in talking to your column of leadership as ive talked to enuf from the masses.
Thanks for your invitation but i think ill take a pass to go in management offices with you. Nothing personal.

That's the spirit, don't get proof, believe hearsay.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

As a veteran of PHX and now out east I can readily say that if management pulled the same crap out here as they did there, this place would be in a near riotous state.

Lack of equipment.
Management doing fleet service work.
Fights on the ramp...

 

[Black Magic]

At this point, the longer these contract talks take place the better! IMO.  The industry has consolidated, airfares on the rise across the board and the profits to come for all airlines are going to make last years look like a warm up.  The company would be foolish to not put something out right now and sew up a medicore deal to laugh at fleet when the real profits come.  At a minimum we should be shooting for SWA pay rates.  After 3 years if the contract to vote on has more outsourcing, lame $1 more an hr, higher insurance, ect. then that tells me that 3 years have been wasted by the IAM as that could have been voted on long ago.  This contract better be something special!!

 

[ograc]

you didnt answer his question. He said manager or supervisor. I get the answer about the manager but what about supervisors? Me thinks you better answer this one correctly or u gonna look fairly bad imo.

And its not dirty politics. All the east guys who went out west thought you were a real problem since your station operates with a helluva lot more leeway with management.
Just answer yes or no about the supervisor question.

You are in no position to speak for "all the east guys" who went out west. I doubt that any of the "east guys" even communicate with you. Many of the "east guys" know your history. Very few "east guys" even went west. More seeds of dissention. More politics on your part. More BS allegations without merit or a shred of factual truth. How about you run on your own track record and experience instead of negative campaigning? 

 

[ograc]

Brothers and Sisters,
This Memorial Day may we take a little while to honor those miltary personnel who have made the ultimate sacrifice to insure our freedom. The freedoms we take for granted. The freedom of religion and speech to name a few. Many have given their lives to preserve these freedoms. Many are currently serving and sacrificing to protect these beliefs. While we debate contractual concessions and sacrifices, they pale in comparison to these concessions. I wish everyone a reflective Memorial Day.
Ograc

 

[Tim Nelson]

You are in no position to speak for "all the east guys" who went out west. I doubt that any of the "east guys" even communicate with you. Many of the "east guys" know your history. Very few "east guys" even went west. More seeds of dissention. More politics on your part. More BS allegations without merit or a shred of factual truth. How about you run on your own track record and experience instead of negative campaigning? 

Huh?  Still sour grapes ograc?
 
I'm not the one who negotiated the 2008 POS agreement, your boys did.  And I'm not the one who coughed up 2 of the 6 "Line in the sand" items in these current talks to create movement.....your boys did. I'm not the one who lied about the release, your boys did.  Kindly review the messages and see how your boys dogged me for saying that all the release talk will come to a close as June approaches.  Sorry, but not a peep from the IAM in the press.  I'm not a prophet but you sure as hell love hating on me for being right about everything.
 
And you are the one that refuses to post "Lock and Load" anymore unless I remind you.  Did Fairbanks call you and Roa up and tell you to stand down on the "Lock and Load" tags?  I like the old ograc that had "Lock and Load".
 
You will vote against me, but I can assure you one thing, if no changes are made then the last 6 years of toxic environment will not change, and more jobs will be lost than should be.  US AIRWAYS members realize that they are not getting their dues money worth it.  Cleaning up the mess in negotiations is in order.  The lack of skillset or academic understanding is clearly evident by the HAL, UAL, and 2008 US AIRWAYS contract.  They may all be nice guys but their work shows that they are "altar boys'  in negotiations, and have absolutely no clue or skillset on how to negotiate.
 
I'm not sorry if that appears negative to you, the reality is that it is neither negative or positive but the reality of the situation.

 

[ograc]

Huh?  Still sour grapes ograc?
 
I'm not the one who negotiated the 2008 POS agreement, your boys did.  And I'm not the one who coughed up 2 of the 6 "Line in the sand" items in these current talks to create movement.....your boys did.
And you are the one that refuses to post "Lock and Load" anymore unless I remind you.  Did Fairbanks call you and Roa up and tell you to stand down on the "Lock and Load" tags?  I like the old ograc that had "Lock and Load".
 
You will vote against me, but I can assure you one thing, if no changes are made then the last 6 years of toxic environment will not change.  US AIRWAYS members realize that they are not getting their dues money worth it.  Cleaning up the mess in negotiations is in order.  The lack of skillset or academic understanding is clearly evident by the HAL, UAL, and 2008 US AIRWAYS contract.  They may all be nice guys but their work shows that they have absolutely no clue or skillset on how to negotiate.

Tim,
I believe it's you who are seeing shadows behind every bush. MF or ROA have not been in touch with me throughout the past two years. I have never met ROA or know him. I do respect him based on his posts and beliefs. I know MF from days in PIT. Always a firm belever in organized labor. At the time... he and I disagreed with Teamster represntation but I have always respected his difference of opinion and his resolve. I remain Locked and Loaded. I have said repeatedly... in the end it will be up to the membership to decide. Both on any TA brought back and your political future. Both parties may be subject to "friendly fire" in the end.
Rest assurred. I'm Locked and Loaded against any party whose interests are not in the best interests of the membership. Wheather it be the company or candidates who have political ambitions.
Lock and Load Brothers and Sisters! The first battlefront is coming in June.   

 

[roabilly]

Tim
 
  Where do you get all these email addresses to use in profiles...??

"Gmail"

 

[mike33]

Huh?  Still sour grapes ograc?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Still waiting for Your Term SHEET update !!!!

 

[robbedagain]

orgac,  I agree with you bro that with tomorrow Memorial Day  each and every one of us should reflect on all of the sacrifices that our Armed Forces have been taken and the price they have paid so that we all can enjoy our freedom that we have today..

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
I believe it's you who are seeing shadows behind every bush. MF or ROA have not been in touch with me throughout the past two years. I have never met ROA or know him. I do respect him based on his posts and beliefs. I know MF from days in PIT. Always a firm belever in organized labor. At the time... he and I disagreed with Teamster represntation but I have always respected his difference of opinion and his resolve. I remain Locked and Loaded. I have said repeatedly... in the end it will be up to the membership to decide. Both on any TA brought back and your political future. Both parties may be subject to "friendly fire" in the end.
Rest assurred. I'm Locked and Loaded against any party whose interests are not in the best interests of the membership. Wheather it be the company or candidates who have political ambitions.
Lock and Load Brothers and Sisters! The first battlefront is coming in June.   

Your candidates:
1. Brought us the POS 2008 agreement
2. Brought the POS HAL agreement
3. Brought the POS UAL agreement
4. Coughed up 2 of the 6 "line in the sand" items of the current agreement
5. Lied about a release
 
The verdict is in, toxic and a complete lack of progress in their 6 years of looting this union. Yet Ograc does the insane and wants to continue in this mindless direction and thinks they will learn from the error of their ways.  It's called insanity.

 

[700UW]

Tim:
1. Brought us the POS 2008 agreement
2. Brought the ND team into office
3. Bought A-Cards with Gift Cards
4. Fired from the District for asking for AGC Pay.
5. Lied about getting info from Hemenway
6. Removed from office for dual unionism
7. Ran for PDGC and finished DEAD LAST
8. Ran for IP and lost.
9. Started his own union several times
10. Filed short on cards for AirTran
11. Took off on a cruise instead of doing the job he was appointed too.
 

Fixed it for you

 

[IAM Member Here]

Your candidates:
1. Brought us the POS 2008 agreement
2. Brought the POS HAL agreement
3. Brought the POS UAL agreement
4. Coughed up 2 of the 6 "line in the sand" items of the current agreement
5. Lied about a release
 
The verdict is in, toxic and a complete lack of progress in their 6 years of looting this union. Yet Ograc does the insane and wants to continue in this mindless direction and thinks they will learn from the error of their ways.  It's called insanity.

Why would anyone vote for the current ballot of candidates without mixing it up?  Expecting them to change after very poor representation for years is reaching.  I probably will vote for my own agc but maybe not, but I'll vote for both nelson and prez and Charlie brown.  Adding nelson to the mix should help speed up or bring about more accountability by bringing in diverse opinion.  Plus something tells me he will run for president next year so he will have to bring us something back good for him to want to achieve that, plus we need a strong personality representing us as united gets everything with this union.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Brothers and Sisters,
This Memorial Day may we take a little while to honor those miltary personnel who have made the ultimate sacrifice to insure our freedom. The freedoms we take for granted. The freedom of religion and speech to name a few. Many have given their lives to preserve these freedoms. Many are currently serving and sacrificing to protect these beliefs. While we debate contractual concessions and sacrifices, they pale in comparison to these concessions. I wish everyone a reflective Memorial Day.
Ograc