2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[charlie Brown]

Um, well, you are representing me I thought.  I am paying you, yes?  Why wouldn't  I be interested in asking you questions?

You would actually let me represent you?? Give me a call sometime. I would look forward to that.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok. Let's break clean and you two go to neutral corners. It's obvious both of you believe your slates represent the best interests of the entire membership (UA & former US / New American). From what I understand... Delaney, like Canale, relied on the US E Board members to look after issues on the US side.  I have never heard of UA E Board members not supporting efforts of the US E Board members and visa versa. This might explain why the entire E Board supported the agreement at UA. It was obviously based on the opinions of the UA NC and UA E Board members. At the end of the day; DL 141 has far more members and therefore will have more seats at the E Board of DL 141. As long as each group isn't undermining the other I can live with that. Additionally though, I'm not sure we, US members, should settle for less representation than we already have at the table. I believe both slates will have good apples and bad concerning experience for the challengers and past track records for the incumbents. I believe there could be a lot of cross slate voting in June as the educated members will try to sort out the best candidates. We have spoke at length about the down side of running slates for office.

Fair enough Ograc.
But I hope we can all agree that we don't want ALL US AIRWAYS members to lose in June. I'm excited for change, but I think the US AIRWAYS members on Delaney's ticket will really have their work cut out, but even the US AIRWAYS members on the opposition ticket could lose.  Hopefully, US AIRWAYS members can be unified in June to make sure it doesn't get shut out of the June elections and I hope I can count on CB to unify to prevent that.  Once, and if, it is apparent that his slate will not make it.

 

[charlie Brown]

Ok. Let's break clean and you two go to neutral corners. It's obvious both of you believe your slates represent the best interests of the entire membership (UA & former US / New American). From what I understand... Delaney, like Canale, relied on the US E Board members to look after issues on the US side.  I have never heard of UA E Board members not supporting efforts of the US E Board members and visa versa. This might explain why the entire E Board supported the agreement at UA. It was obviously based on the opinions of the UA NC and UA E Board members. At the end of the day; DL 141 has far more members and therefore will have more seats at the E Board of DL 141. As long as each group isn't undermining the other I can live with that. Additionally though, I'm not sure we, US members, should settle for less representation than we already have at the table. I believe both slates will have good apples and bad concerning experience for the challengers and past track records for the incumbents. I believe there could be a lot of cross slate voting in June as the educated members will try to sort out the best candidates. We have spoke at length about the down side of running slates for office.

Finally a statement that makes since about the eboard endorsing the UA contract. So now I'll respond to that. We at US have been in negotiations for 2 1/2 years now. I feel the negotiating team knows what are members expect and need. The current UA members on the board don't keep up with the US members as far as negotiations. I would expect as well as the rest of the team would expect, when we finally bring a T/a out for our members if the US board members state that this is it and we approve of it, to get the full endorsement of the UA team. I would be pretty upset if we didn't, especially since the UA guys never took part in our negotiations. They expected and got the same thing from the US guys, when they brought their T/a out. So you are exactly correct Ograc with what you stated.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Don't know who your informant is on the negotiating team. But you might want him to pay more attention before he tells you what went on. The fact is Tim your choosing to get rid of the US positions because you think it will help you get reelected. How do you figure it saves money anyway??? Huh?? The positions are still going to be there. Still costing the district the same salaries. Your just choosing to put a UA person in, instead of a US. I don't understand why you bash the UA people so bad. Looks like if you have your way. Your slowly getting rid of the US people and replacing them with UA.

Why would you presume my informant is on the negotiation team?

 

[Tim Nelson]

You would actually let me represent you?? Give me a call sometime. I would look forward to that.

No, rather you are representing me. Well, at least I hope you are representing my interest in negotiations.

 

[mike33]

Finally a statement that makes since about the eboard endorsing the UA contract. So now I'll respond to that. We at US have been in negotiations for 2 1/2 years now. I feel the negotiating team knows what are members expect and need. The current UA members on the board don't keep up with the US members as far as negotiations. I would expect as well as the rest of the team would expect, when we finally bring a T/a out for our members if the US board members state that this is it and we approve of it, to get the full endorsement of the UA team. I would be pretty upset if we didn't, especially since the UA guys never took part in our negotiations. They expected and got the same thing from the US guys, when they brought their T/a out. So you are exactly correct Ograc with what you stated.

CB
 
  I have a question since you probably know my position on the UA contract. I realize that UA guys negotiate theirs but shouldn't the US guys at least comment on the pros and cons of the UA TA? Why would you endorse something you never dug your teeth into?...At least a little !!

 

[charlie Brown]

CB
 
  I have a question since you probably know my position on the UA contract. I realize that UA guys negotiate theirs but shouldn't the US guys at least comment on the pros and cons of the UA TA? Why would you endorse something you never dug your teeth into?...At least a little !!

Who said I didn't dig my teeth into it? And yes. I know your position. I would like to ask you a question though. Did you form your position without speaking to any UA member on the negotiating team? I hope not, but a lot of people did. I have lots of feelings about the UA t/a. But I also know from talking to many of them, the blood bath that smisek was about to unleash in the upcoming months. I know someone will say that was a scare tactic, but I'm being honest. Just like people get pissed at the IAM for the way they sale a T/A to the members. You are just as guilty if someone only points to the negatives of a T/a. And not to sound like I don't care about UA. But I am concerned with the US members. I study a T/a to learn from it to better help me in negotiations and how it relates to our US negotiations. I leave the selling the U/a TA , to the UA board members.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You would actually let me represent you?? Give me a call sometime. I would look forward to that.

Even when I get to CLT,  I wouldn't have a problem with you representing me on a grievance?  Since 1986, I have basically never agreed with you on much about anything, but I do think you are fully capable of handling grievances.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Who said I didn't dig my teeth into it? And yes. I know your position. I would like to ask you a question though. Did you form your position without speaking to any UA member on the negotiating team? I hope not, but a lot of people did. I have lots of feelings about the UA t/a. But I also know from talking to many of them, the blood bath that smisek was about to unleash in the upcoming months. I know someone will say that was a scare tactic, but I'm being honest. Just like people get pissed at the IAM for the way they sale a T/A to the members. You are just as guilty if someone only points to the negatives of a T/a. And not to sound like I don't care about UA. But I am concerned with the US members. I study a T/a to learn from it to better help me in negotiations and how it relates to our US negotiations. I leave the selling the U/a TA , to the UA board members.

So, Smisek announces a furlough of 225 during the ta vote,  then another 850 one month after the contract passed, and then yesterday another 430.  This is 3 reductions in 3 months.  Please tell us exactly what blood bath this TA prevented other than rubber stamping a time bomb date on some stations?
 
What is worse yet, is that your 'team' doesn't communicate too well.  Never any meaningful updates from the District, and lately just a bunch of "Barbie Tantrums' about UA management. 

 

[robbedagain]

Cb do you know if theres any scheduled talks or what the status is since early jan?

 

[mike33]

Who said I didn't dig my teeth into it? And yes. I know your position. I would like to ask you a question though. Did you form your position without speaking to any UA member on the negotiating team? 

I formed my opinion from the language itsself..  I do comprehend what i read, maybe not all the first time, but by the 15th i think that i wouldn't need anyone else's opinion. Not trying to instigate anything CB because i think you US guys will do the right thing but now i am not so sure that any endorsement by the UA guys mean anything.

 

[mike33]

Cb do you know if theres any scheduled talks or what the status is since early jan?

F* the talks....add a 1$ to the negotiations period. Keep adding till we get some sort of comment from the company other than "NO"

 

[Solidarity]

Even when I get to CLT,  I wouldn't have a problem with you representing me on a grievance?  Since 1986, I have basically never agreed with you on much about anything, but I do think you are fully capable of handling grievances.

Tim,

When are you coming to CLT on a permanent basis?

 

[28L_or_10R?]

UA is dehubbing CLE effective June. Hmmm...

 

[cltrat]

Klemm isn't running.  CB is pushing Bartz and other liars who were caught and 'date  stamped'

pffft if Bartz was running against a Billy Goat I'd vote for the goat.