2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[charlie Brown]

The ticket that I'm on has the same amount of full time US AIRWAYS slots as the one you support.  If you have got 4 AGC's then I'll give you points. There are other non-full time spots like trustee that we felt should be geographically situated to save the membership money.  For instance,the trustee is someone who goes to SFO once a month to audit checks and sign checks after comparing expenses. IMO, it doesn't make any sense to have someone from BOS fly to SFO and spend for hyatt hotel and perdiems on the membership dime when we can simply be practical and just allow someone from SFO, who already has an office in the building to walk down the hall and do it, regardless of airline. What I would like to see is that if the District expands the special rep program then it shouldn't do so at the exclusion of US AIRWAYS.  Don't get me wrong, I don't believe there is a need to waste more money by having all of these special reps now, but if the District insist on spending hundreds of thousands of more dollars and  upping the dues to another record amount then I suppose US AIRWAYS ought to have special representation as well. 
 
And certainly, I couldn't, in good conscience, be on any ballot or vote for any ballot that had even one United AGC who supported management and pimped off his/her own United members.  GROSS!    At any rate, those are my thoughts, and nominations are always fun!  I'm definitely open to a new method in how we should elect officers but that's not for me to say. At least, we should be thankful we are in a union that allows this.  I'm excited.  I think our union is at the crossroads and that we have one chance to make change happen and to start the rebuilding from ground zero. We have one chance to make this happen and I say we make the best of it!

Haha, no don't think so. Not gonna let you spin this one that easy. You know a trustee position is a minimal cost, especially since it space available travel. Trustees don't have to go out monthly there is already a trustee out there for UA to sign checks. Try explaining why you want to give up the VP position that US airways has now to a UA person. The important thing Tim is that these positions may be PT positions, they are FT positions on the board. We need to be fighting for more positions for US. We are already outnumbered 4 to 1 on the board now. And now you want to take two more positions from the US side and give it to UA. Get real!! There's not a US employee one that that should be ok with. I guess you just think you can spin it to the US employees and they will believe you. Let's tell the truth to the US side. You can't find legitimate qualified candidates on the US side to run with you, and you know we are out numbered so bad by UA and Contenintal employees that you feel that's your best chance of getting elected. So you decide to take positions from the US side and make us even more at a disadvantage.

 

[charlie Brown]

Now let's talk about the US employees you have running for AGC. You have been on this board for years talking about how the current district team is in over their heads due to lack of education and experience. So I'm sure whoever you put on your ticket for these AGC positions will be very highly educated with a lot of experience. I'm sure you have set the bar very high since this is your belief. And let me say, I have nothing against these guys personally, but the membership needs to know. I have read their Bio,s to try to find out more about them, but they don't talk about their experience. Can you tell us what their education and union experience is, since like I said, I'm sure you have the qualifications bar raised pretty high. Especially since you think it is ok to eliminate two current FT US airways board spots, these guys IMO need to be very experienced since their load to represent the US members is going to be huge.

 

[cltrat]

I just want to know if anyones running against klemm and bartz so I can vote for em....lol

 

[ograc]

Now let's talk about the US employees you have running for AGC. You have been on this board for years talking about how the current district team is in over their heads due to lack of education and experience. So I'm sure whoever you put on your ticket for these AGC positions will be very highly educated with a lot of experience. I'm sure you have set the bar very high since this is your belief. And let me say, I have nothing against these guys personally, but the membership needs to know. I have read their Bio,s to try to find out more about them, but they don't talk about their experience. Can you tell us what their education and union experience is, since like I said, I'm sure you have the qualifications bar raised pretty high. Especially since you think it is ok to eliminate two current FT US airways board spots, these guys IMO need to be very experienced since their load to represent the US members is going to be huge.

CB,
Has the district announced their slate of candidates? If so... I haven't seen it yet.

 

[charlie Brown]

CB,
Has the district announced their slate of candidates? If so... I haven't seen it yet.

No. We had to have our bio,s in last week. But I can't tell you for sure what day it will be out.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Haha, no don't think so. Not gonna let you spin this one that easy. You know a trustee position is a minimal cost, especially since it space available travel. Trustees don't have to go out monthly there is already a trustee out there for UA to sign checks. Try explaining why you want to give up the VP position that US airways has now to a UA person. The important thing Tim is that these positions may be PT positions, they are FT positions on the board. We need to be fighting for more positions for US. We are already outnumbered 4 to 1 on the board now. And now you want to take two more positions from the US side and give it to UA. Get real!! There's not a US employee one that that should be ok with. I guess you just think you can spin it to the US employees and they will believe you. Let's tell the truth to the US side. You can't find legitimate qualified candidates on the US side to run with you, and you know we are out numbered so bad by UA and Contenintal employees that you feel that's your best chance of getting elected. So you decide to take positions from the US side and make us even more at a disadvantage.

Huh?  Not sure where you get that this is my ticket?  PHL members picked Carl, and after I met him, he was definitely the right pick.  Same with PHX,  PHX members picked Artie. I knew of Artie previously.
I'm excited about the entire ticket. There is more experience at serving members with this opposition ticket than any opposition ticket I have ever seen since I've been an IAM member.  As far as experience, how is that working out for you?  Seems your experience has you with losing your freedom and being compelled to push United Airline members who United Airline members simply don't want after the UA contract debacle. Time will tell. At any rate, I guess you can get by with it standing out in front of Local 1725 handing out ballots to US AIRWAYS members who don't know the United members you are pushing. Disappointing indeed and you are doing the one thing that you said you would NEVER do.

 

[Dog Wonder]

It helped me so I like it.

History according to Tim.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Now let's talk about the US employees you have running for AGC. You have been on this board for years talking about how the current district team is in over their heads due to lack of education and experience. So I'm sure whoever you put on your ticket for these AGC positions will be very highly educated with a lot of experience. I'm sure you have set the bar very high since this is your belief. And let me say, I have nothing against these guys personally, but the membership needs to know. I have read their Bio,s to try to find out more about them, but they don't talk about their experience. Can you tell us what their education and union experience is, since like I said, I'm sure you have the qualifications bar raised pretty high. Especially since you think it is ok to eliminate two current FT US airways board spots, these guys IMO need to be very experienced since their load to represent the US members is going to be huge.

See my post above, seems like you just repeated yourself

 

[Tim Nelson]

I just want to know if anyones running against klemm and bartz so I can vote for em....lol

Klemm isn't running.  CB is pushing Bartz and other liars who were caught and 'date  stamped'

 

[charlie Brown]

Huh?  Look, first off it isn't my ticket. Second off, they wanted the exact same full time positions as currently exist.  If you want to up-play part time spots then carry on.   I'm not for special reps and burning more membership money with record dues increases but since your eboard is, why haven't YOU been successful at advocating for US AIRWAYS special reps instead of getting goose-egged as United has many????   That should be your focus instead of busting me.

It isn't your ticket, but I was told you would be the one picking the Us people to run. Is this not correct? Tim a PT VP and. PT trustee have nothing to do with cost. Their salaries are 75.00 & 150.00 a month. But their big role IMO is that they are present at every eboard meeting helping the US AGC,s make sure US is recognized. This isn't a easy job, as I stated earlier how outmanned by UA we already are. We need these two positions for the US members. And are you sure UA has many special reps?? How many?? And why are you concerned about that when your trying to lower the number that US has on the board already. I would appreciate a answer to my earlier post requesting the experience level and education of the two you have chose to be AGC from phx and phl. Just wanting to see where you have set the bar since you believe everyone should have good experience and college education. And gee, now I'm busting on you. A couple days ago you accused us of running like cockroaches from you. Now your saying I shouldn't be busting on ya. Well look on the bright side, at least you know I'm still here.

 

[charlie Brown]

PHL members picked the PHL guy. After I met him, it was 100% clear he was the right guy.  PHX members picked Artie. I did know of Artie.  Members always yield to Trust over experience.   I'd rather line myself up with solid guys like these guys than lining up with liars as you have done.  The reality of the situation is that you are going to be pumping a card with 25 members who agreed to hose over their own members and resort to lying, betrayal, treason, and all of the above to their own blood at United.  And it also says something about you not being able to be 'free' to talk about the United ramp agreement.  Your cheerleader, Roabily says the United ramp contract is a whole different world and doesn't apply. Prez said he didn't bother reading it.  As distant as you guys are about how your eboard F its own at United, you mean to tell me that you are going to be standing out front betraying your members trust by soliciting them to vote for Joe Bartz and the other liars? Disappointing indeed.

Why do you feel you can ask me questions and expect a answer when you won't answer mine? I didn't ask you who picked the above guys. I asked you to state their experience and education, because I know this is a big deal to you. You already admit you screwed up putting some people in place in 2008. Now are you doing the same thing? Talk about people flip flopping, you change your views more than anyone on here.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It isn't your ticket, but I was told you would be the one picking the Us people to run. Is this not correct? Tim a PT VP and. PT trustee have nothing to do with cost. Their salaries are 75.00 & 150.00 a month. But their big role IMO is that they are present at every eboard meeting helping the US AGC,s make sure US is recognized. This isn't a easy job, as I stated earlier how outmanned by UA we already are. We need these two positions for the US members. And are you sure UA has many special reps?? How many?? And why are you concerned about that when your trying to lower the number that US has on the board already. I would appreciate a answer to my earlier post requesting the experience level and education of the two you have chose to be AGC from phx and phl. Just wanting to see where you have set the bar since you believe everyone should have good experience and college education. And gee, now I'm busting on you. A couple days ago you accused us of running like cockroaches from you. Now your saying I shouldn't be busting on ya. Well look on the bright side, at least you know I'm still here.

wrong. I didn't pick either, but they were the right choice by members in their station. I think folks are more interested in talking about your December proposal.  Why did you guys agree with AH, excuse me, propose, that fleet shouldn't make the same wage as the TWU at DOS?  Further, why will you push United Airline members who lied to their own members?
At any rate, you can up-sell a trustee spot if you want, and burn through more membership money, I and my team believe it saves money and is much more practical having a guy from SFO walk down the hall and sign checks instead of having a guy from BOS fly [stand by or whatever] and burn a few days, stay at hotels, per diems, as a trustee.  Makes better sense financially and practically as it is a non representing and non full time spot.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why do you feel you can ask me questions and expect a answer when you won't answer mine? I didn't ask you who picked the above guys. I asked you to state their experience and education, because I know this is a big deal to you. You already admit you screwed up putting some people in place in 2008. Now are you doing the same thing? Talk about people flip flopping, you change your views more than anyone on here.

Um, well, you are representing me I thought.  I am paying you, yes?  Why wouldn't  I be interested in asking you questions?

 

[ograc]

Ok. Let's break clean and you two go to neutral corners. It's obvious both of you believe your slates represent the best interests of the entire membership (UA & former US / New American). From what I understand... Delaney, like Canale, relied on the US E Board members to look after issues on the US side.  I have never heard of UA E Board members not supporting efforts of the US E Board members and visa versa. This might explain why the entire E Board supported the agreement at UA. It was obviously based on the opinions of the UA NC and UA E Board members. At the end of the day; DL 141 has far more members and therefore will have more seats at the E Board of DL 141. As long as each group isn't undermining the other I can live with that. Additionally though, I'm not sure we, US members, should settle for less representation than we already have at the table. I believe both slates will have good apples and bad concerning experience for the challengers and past track records for the incumbents. I believe there could be a lot of cross slate voting in June as the educated members will try to sort out the best candidates. We have spoke at length about the down side of running slates for office.

 

[charlie Brown]

wrong. I didn't pick either, but they were the right choice by members in their station. I think folks are more interested in talking about your December proposal.  Why did you guys agree with AH, excuse me, propose, that fleet shouldn't make the same wage as the TWU at DOS?  Further, why will you push United Airline members who lied to their own members?
At any rate, you can up-sell a trustee spot if you want, and burn through more membership money, I and my team believe it saves money and is much more practical having a guy from SFO walk down the hall and sign checks instead of having a guy from BOS fly [stand by or whatever] and burn a few days, stay at hotels, per diems, as a trustee.  Makes better sense financially and practically as it is a non representing and non full time spot.

Don't know who your informant is on the negotiating team. But you might want him to pay more attention before he tells you what went on. The fact is Tim your choosing to get rid of the US positions because you think it will help you get reelected. How do you figure it saves money anyway??? Huh?? The positions are still going to be there. Still costing the district the same salaries. Your just choosing to put a UA person in, instead of a US. I don't understand why you bash the UA people so bad. Looks like if you have your way. Your slowly getting rid of the US people and replacing them with UA.