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Kev3188 said:
Guys like that should be hit with a shoe. Talk about rash behavior... 
I had to talk a guy down off the ledge who last week was talking reasonable about buying a house. Yesterday realized he could"afford" 300 dollars More a month. And because of the 1500 dollar bonus could put an offer right now.

I'm still shaking my head...
 
I'm already hearing guys talking about using their signing bonus for a Vegas vacation. After Uncle Sam takes his share they may be able to stay on Fremont Street at Binion's. Eat at the cheap buffets, too.
 
PHXConx said:
I had to talk a guy down off the ledge who last week was talking reasonable about buying a house. Yesterday realized he could"afford" 300 dollars More a month. And because of the 1500 dollar bonus could put an offer right now.

I'm still shaking my head...
During our BK they offered a 33k buyout. People who were not really ready to retire jumped on it. Money gone! Then we got our retirement medical prefunding returned. Spent before they even got it. Next was the stock. The first day people were asking where the SELL button was.

Not me bro, not me. Still grinning like David Lee Roth in my avatar pic.
 
Nevermind. I referred to someone who knows a little more than I do on something.

So deleted my post here.
 
Language is still being worked on? Red flag so im concerned. What are part time rulds? Scope cinderellaed? Health care?
 
there are a number of folks in my station that do not like this deal  and think we should of gotten a better deal  then there are some others that say there is no Plan B   in the event should this turn out to be shot down or a split vote    and the rest think this is a good deal..   Im about the only one in the station that has not taken a stand bec I am waiting to see the language
 
robbedagain said:
there are a number of folks in my station that do not like this deal  and think we should of gotten a better deal  then there are some others that say there is no Plan B   in the event should this turn out to be shot down or a split vote    and the rest think this is a good deal..   Im about the only one in the station that has not taken a stand bec I am waiting to see the language
No one should "take a stand" until they have read the full contract language and compare it at least to what you currently have.
 
Tim Nelson said:
Language is still being worked on? Red flag so im concerned. What are part time rulds? Scope cinderellaed? Health care?
My understanding is that the entire agreement is being proofread for errors... NOTHING else! Once the proofreading is complete, it will go to legal for further proofreading. This is nothing new; ALL agreements go through the same post negations proofreading, and legal finalization.
 
Voting should be in late July, and everyone needs to fully understand what they are voting on... attend the Informational Meetings, ask questions, and go over the T/A thoroughly before making a decision on your vote...
 
As Cargo and I have said over and over – It’s the Membership, NOT the Leadership that ultimately decides what agreement to accept!
 
Further, "IF" this tentative is ratified, the team will go immediately into talks to secure an Industry Leading Agreement for the combined carriers in the Transition Agreement, or JCBA.
 
roabilly said:
My understanding is that the entire agreement is being proofread for errors... NOTHING else! Once the proofreading is complete, it will go to legal for further proofreading. This is nothing new; ALL agreements go through the same post negations proofreading, and legal finalization.
 
Voting should be in late July, and everyone needs to fully understand what they are voting on... attend the Informational Meetings, ask questions, and go over the T/A thoroughly before making a decision on your vote...
 
As Cargo and I have said over and over – It’s the Membership, NOT the Leadership that ultimately decides what agreement to accept!
 
Further, "IF" this tentative is ratified, the team will go immediately into talks to secure an Industry Leading Agreement for the combined carriers in the Transition Agreement, or JCBA.
as a matter of reference can u cite one joint contract ever in this industry that was leading industry? Joint talks are not section 6 so there is less juice, especially if they gave in to some fence agreement already.

Lets focus on this ta before we start talking about how much we are going to get or give in joint. What did we give up now?
 
Tim Nelson said:
as a matter of reference can u cite one joint contract ever in this industry that was leading industry? Joint talks are not section 6 so there is less juice, especially if they gave in to some fence agreement already.
Lets focus on this ta before we start talking about how much we are going to get or give in joint. What did we give up now?
He's Baaaack.

Try to consider the glass as half full rather than empty Tim.
 
roabilly said:
My understanding is that the entire agreement is being proofread for errors... NOTHING else! Once the proofreading is complete, it will go to legal for further proofreading. This is nothing new; ALL agreements go through the same post negations proofreading, and legal finalization.

This is a process that is absolutely crucial before being released to the membership for their viewing. A contract is Legally binding and mistakes contained in the wording can cause issues down the line due to misinterpretation.

You DO NOT want this process rushed.
 
Voting should be in late July, and everyone needs to fully understand what they are voting on... attend the Informational Meetings, ask questions, and go over the T/A thoroughly before making a decision on your vote...
 
As Cargo and I have said over and over – It’s the Membership, NOT the Leadership that ultimately decides what agreement to accept!
 
Further, "IF" this tentative is ratified, the team will go immediately into talks to secure an Industry Leading Agreement for the combined carriers in the Transition Agreement, or JCBA.

I think there is a strong likelihood for a deal to come at a pretty quick pace in the next phase of talks? Almost immediately after the merger was finalized by the courts the company negotiators did a 360 in their talks with you guys and came to a deal. That deal came less than two months after the Company was Legally assured that the merger was concrete.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-25/american-airlines-settlement-over-us-airways-merger-approved.html

But of course take one step at a time.

 
 
roabilly said:
My understanding is that the entire agreement is being proofread for errors... NOTHING else! Once the proofreading is complete, it will go to legal for further proofreading. This is nothing new; ALL agreements go through the same post negations proofreading, and legal finalization.
 
Voting should be in late July, and everyone needs to fully understand what they are voting on... attend the Informational Meetings, ask questions, and go over the T/A thoroughly before making a decision on your vote...
 
As Cargo and I have said over and over – It’s the Membership, NOT the Leadership that ultimately decides what agreement to accept!
 
Further, "IF" this tentative is ratified, the team will go immediately into talks to secure an Industry Leading Agreement for the combined carriers in the Transition Agreement, or JCBA.
If this t/a is approved, why go back to joint talks? Let them sweat a while. The union should just say no! I hope the negotiating committee learns what the word non- negotiable means when it comes to scope, health ins., pension and any other thing they want to reduce in joint talks.
 
Joint talks will get you more increases and bring both contracts inline with each other.
 
rockit2 said:
If this t/a is approved, why go back to joint talks? Let them sweat a while. The union should just say no! I hope the negotiating committee learns what the word non- negotiable means when it comes to scope, health ins., pension and any other thing they want to reduce in joint talks.
Because at the moment our industry is experiencing a possible "golden age" not seen since before deregulation and that would be something we want to take advantage of. We don't want to wait for something to happen that might change that and should secure gains while we have the opportunity.

Aside from "Base" wages there is always room for improvements in a contract. IE: SCOPE, holidays, vacation, ID time, sick time, retirement benefits, COLA's, profit sharing, ESOP's, etc.

Pay rates are the easiest thing to improve. It's the other things that require some work.
 
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