2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

ograc
what I seen on the Boeing deal was no new hires would be a part of pension plan presumably they would still pay dues.

 
 

Is Boeing mentioned anywhere in the title of this thread?

 

[cltrat]

sorry I forgot the two paid IAM spokesmen are here,

 

[cltrat]

Was "United" when you chimed in about their agreement?

Does Boeing have fleet sevice workers? not talking about their A/c

I'll wait while you text to see what your answer should be

 

[Tim Nelson]

So... in the world of Nelson, what actions would YOU have taken to prevent Boeing from going to a right to work state (SC)? What 'leverage' would you have used?

I think there were a number of avenues including leaning on the nlrb case (as opposed to settling the prior contract which only chased an organizing scenerio and didnt address the scope). But having an ear towards the membership as opposed to the ear towards management is always the difference between good and bad leadership whether boeing or united. I think thats the fundamental difference and alghough education and experience is a good thing, having an ear towards the membership is i think how i would do it because thats where the strength is. Thats the thing our nc has to focus on as well. Could you imagine having to sit across ah repeatedly and doing his best impression of the party of no?

The united nc didnt walk in as bad guys but they ended up turning their ear towards management. It was easy to see. They started talking like management and morphed into a management mouthpiece, complete with a pocketfull of lies.
I dont have all the answers but an ear listening to the members would produce a more favorable outcome. And it goes without saying that you have to educate the members and build hope as the company builds fear.

 

[700UW]

Boeing use to own United, and the government made them divest.

 

[700UW]

Tim,
 
The members at Boeing voted on the settlement between the IAM and Boeing ending the NLRB case, it was in their CBA.

 

December 10, 2011
 
Chicago-based Boeing and the union took a huge step toward ending the NLRB dispute last week, when they reached a tentative, far-reaching agreement that included a pledge by Boeing to build a retooled version of its popular 737 jet at a union plant in Renton, Wash., near Seattle.
The machinists—most of whom work at Boeing's major commercial-airliner factories in the Seattle area—had feared that the jet maker might decide to produce the planned single-aisle jet, known as the 737 Max, in South Carolina or another Southern state where unions are weak.
Boeing opened the North Charleston, S.C., production line that was the source of the NLRB complaint earlier this year. Nonunion employees at that facility are assembling some of Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner jets.
 
Union officials this week asked the NLRB to withdraw its complaint against Boeing after 74% of voting members Wednesday ratified a contract extension that includes wage increases of 2% a year and improved pension benefits. Workers will pay more for health insurance under the pact, which runs from 2012 to 2016.
 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
The members at Boeing voted on the settlement between the IAM and Boeing ending the NLRB case, it was in their CBA.

I know 700 and so did the united members but the consent was manufactured with fear and outright lies. In your post above, it boast about scope the pension and health benefits. However one year later the pension is gone and health benefits will cost thousands more. At some point you have to acknowledge the deceit in the leadership. You are very good blaming the membership. And if you arent getting paid then what is your interest in fleet service business. Go away. You arent even an iam member but you sure do know how to blame them.

 

[Hope777]

OFF TOPIC 

 

[700UW]

That would be two years later and the CBA that contained the settlement also guaranteed the 737MAX work.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That would be two years later and the CBA that contained the settlement also guaranteed the 737MAX work.

Stop using the word guarantee please. Nothing was guaranteed. Even buffy said they all could lose their jobs. In fact thats why they were persuaded to toss in the pension and health. One big circle jerk. Anyways lets talk about the airlines.

 

[700UW]

The CBA guaranteed the plane to be built in the SEA area, read the CBA.
 
http://www.boeing.com/Features/2011/12/bca_iam_12_07_11.html

 

[robbedagain]

Has there been any word on when new talks will be scheduled?

 

[Tim Nelson]

The CBA guaranteed the plane to be built in the SEA area, read the CBA.
 
http://www.boeing.com/Features/2011/12/bca_iam_12_07_11.html

That link you provided didnt say anything much other than it did show that the prior contract wasnt worth the paper. Can we please talk about airlines? Why are you here? You claim you arent being paid and are not an iam member so why is your nose in our business?

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Great Article out of the Charlotte Observer today HIGHLIGHTING what's TRULY wrong in our Country !!!! 
 

Squeezing the middle class
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/01/08/4597304/squeezing-the-middle-class.html#.Us7MH_RDt8E
 
"Boeing’s case epitomizes that sharp economic divide. For just as the company was wringing concessions from its workers, its board of directors approved a 50 percent increase in the company’s stock dividend and a $10-billion stock buyback that will richly reward investors and executives who get paid in Boeing shares."

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/01/08/4597304/squeezing-the-middle-class.html#.Us7MH_RDt8E#storylink=cpy

 

[cltrat]

That link you provided didnt say anything much other than it did show that the prior contract wasnt worth the paper. Can we please talk about airlines? Why are you here? You claim you arent being paid and are not an iam member so why is your nose in our business?

He has also stated that 141 was not his concern, which makes your question an interesting one to see answered.