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700UW said:
His track record speaks for itself.
Ok and I have studied his track record and the dates and times that some of those decisions were made. Not really good times for any of us. Remember also one other thing. AH may answer to DP but DP answers to the BOD and the shareholders. DP is the public face of the airline and ultimately will be the one held on people's shoulders or have his head on a chopping block?

It's very early in this new game to know which one that will be?

 
 
Eight years for the AFA to reach a JCBA between PMUS and PMHP Flight Attendants.
 
Nine years and no JCBA for PMUS and PMHP Pilots, most of it because of seniority.
 
Three years all three IAM Groups in Section 6 Negotiations.
 
And Two or more years for the CWA/IBT CSA and Res Section Negotiations.
 
Proof is in the pudding.
 
700UW said:
The Q&A is not a legal and binding document.
 
Everyone from the NC, to the DL to the GL has stated there will not be JCBA negotiations until AFTER Section 6 Agreements are ratified for PMUS.
 
You are grasping at straws and sound like a desperate man, who is drowning.
no they havent. Only off the record do they say otherwise. The association is not going to negotiate stand alone, according to uts mission which clearly states that it will only negotiate for a comvined agreement. Thats a fact in that legal document. In fact, even though it mentions combined negotiations, we should not be surprised yhat there isnt one single reference to stand alone talks in the document. The twu would get eaten alive if it agreed to shelve talks indefinately.

Furthermore, the association Qand A reiterated that stand alone taljs will happen until single carrier.

All of this was provided as the iam legal position for the members.

Ehat you and the iam nc has done is said the exact opposite of what is legally written down.

To suppirt your lies, you build a strawman with further lies by suggesting the ridiculous notion that the twu isnt obligated by its mou and that an arbitrator will breach his contracted resolution date of july 9. Then even though the nmb has iced the iam every two months, you claim a guarantee release and promise the members that the iam will take everyone out on strike.

You can only get away with ridiculousness here. Kindly show any legal statements by anyone to support one single bizarre argument you have. Your whole stance is mythical.
 
700UW said:
Eight years for the AFA to reach a JCBA between PMUS and PMHP Flight Attendants.
 
Nine years and no JCBA for PMUS and PMHP Pilots, most of it because of seniority.
 
Three years all three IAM Groups in Section 6 Negotiations.
 
And Two or more years for the CWA/IBT CSA and Res Section Negotiations.
 
Proof is in the pudding.
That's correct, as CB said once, actions are what this Membership needs, NOT words!
 
There are plenty of people talking the talk, very few have walked the walk!
 
You are being dishonest again:
 
 
Tim Nelson said:
no they havent. Only off the record do they say otherwise. The association is not going to negotiate stand alone, according to uts mission which clearly states that it will only negotiate for a comvined agreement. Thats a fact in that legal document. In fact, even though it mentions combined negotiations, we should not be surprised yhat there isnt one single reference to stand alone talks in the document. The twu would get eaten alive if it agreed to shelve talks indefinately.

Furthermore, the association Qand A reiterated that stand alone taljs will happen until single carrier.

All of this was provided as the iam legal position for the members.

Ehat you and the iam nc has done is said the exact opposite of what is legally written down.

To suppirt your lies, you build a strawman with further lies by suggesting the ridiculous notion that the twu isnt obligated by its mou and that an arbitrator will breach his contracted resolution date of july 9. Then even though the nmb has iced the iam every two months, you claim a guarantee release and promise the members that the iam will take everyone out on strike.

You can only get away with ridiculousness here. Kindly show any legal statements by anyone to support one single bizarre argument you have. Your whole stance is mythical.
 
 
Learn to Read and Comprehend:
 
3. Q: Will the forming of the Association impact the current IAM-US Airways negotiations?
 
A: No. The IAM will continue bargaining with US Airways for its current members at the stand-alone carrier until the National Mediation Board determines US Airways and  American Airlines are operating as a single carrier. The IAM’s position is that US Airways must fulfill its bargaining responsibilities with the IAM before joint negotiations begin.
Paragraph 7 from the Alliance Agreement.
 
In accordance with the Railway Labor Act, each existing collective bargaining agreement of the Individual Labor Partner (reached with American Airlines or US Airways) and/or the applicable “status quo” conditions will remain in effect.  The Association as Employee representative will endeavor to negotiate a single, combine Collective Bargaining Agreement with the goal of improving rates of pay, benefits and other terms and conditions of the Employee members of the Mechanic and Related Craft or Class at the Carrier.
 
 
700UW said:
Eight years for the AFA to reach a JCBA between PMUS and PMHP Flight Attendants.
 
Nine years and no JCBA for PMUS and PMHP Pilots, most of it because of seniority.
 
Three years all three IAM Groups in Section 6 Negotiations.
 
And Two or more years for the CWA/IBT CSA and Res Section Negotiations.
 
Proof is in the pudding.
And the AA unions want to merge with these clowns!

Josh
 
Facts:
 
1.The Alliance is signed, legal and binding. However, TWU would probably not wait forever for us to get section 6 done. 
2.The Company has offered a concessionary contract when you factor in inflation since 2012 and moving forward.
3.Your NC has at all times understood the problems being faced that have been brought up in this forum along with others.
4.Your NC has at all times had the members interests at heart and not politics.
5.SCS is real and understood by your NC.
6.The NMB has dragged their feet and has been a concern by your NC.
7.The new AA is still being run by greedy management who have zero respect for US.
8.AA employees will come to realize the cheapness and greed of DP and his team.
9.A strike is needed by some group at the new AA, if the NMB will cooperate, to get DP to listen. 
 
P. Rez
 
737823 said:
And the AA unions want to merge with these clowns!

Josh
 
 
Once again you prove your ignorance.
 
Common denominator is US (Anti)Labor Relations Department, not the unions.
 
And the AA and US unions arent merging, the Pilots will all be APA, the Flight Attendants will all be APFA, the IAM and TWU have the Alliance Agreement subject to vote and the CWA/IBT will have a vote.
 
Once again, dont let the facts get in your way.
 
700UW said:
Once again you prove your ignorance.
 
Common denominator is US (Anti)Labor Relations Department, not the unions.
 
And the AA and US unions arent merging, the Pilots will all be APA, the Flight Attendants will all be APFA, the IAM and TWU have the Alliance Agreement subject to vote and the CWA/IBT will have a vote.
 
Once again, dont let the facts get in your way.
Pointing out how foolish it is the unions embraced leadership that treats their own employees so horribly. Sure they were quick to work a deal to get the merger to go through but this point forward who knows.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54499-another-us-red-flag/

Josh
 
roabilly said:
Crawl back into your creator's twisted mind!
I thought you posted months ago and reaffirmed recently that you were ignoring me. What happened to those plans?

Josh
 
truly amazin how a JP FRAUD employee is on here trashing the crap out of US and the UNIONS  in particular the IAM   apparently some just cannot get over the flippin past and move on.  
 
Prez  I for one believe you all have our backs  and I say that bec of the way you all have been holding down against the company--the enemy  and the fact that the concerns of the nmb stallin to release both groups     may I suggest you all on the NC start putting things like that out in the news media and the papers etc   may be its time to ratchet up the pressure on the NMB and the company
 
737823 said:
Pointing out how foolish it is the unions embraced leadership that treats their own employees so horribly. Sure they were quick to work a deal to get the merger to go through but this point forward who knows.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54499-another-us-red-flag/

Josh
Two years ago?
 
Glad to see you cant admit you are wrong once again, and have to try and change the subject.
 
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