2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[ograc]

I fully understand that some folks walk away after two losing hands, thinking it's futile.  I can't control that.   No, I didn't throw anyone under the bus, I can simply understand those who vote for home candidates. That 'makes sense' if someone votes that way.  I will push against Charlie Brown because he does what Delaney tells him to do and I think his action of endorsing the United contract was more profane than he obviously thought.   What I can't understand are those voting for people they don't know AND who have not won over their home local.  Every single candidate on the U4C ticket won his/her home endorsement of all reporting locals.  Only a few won their home local on Team Delaneny's ticket.   So, imo, it makes no sense for someone in CLT to just blindly vote the way Charlie Brown tells them to, when his candidates can't even win their home local endorsement AND many of them actually finished dead last.  It also makes no sense to me for someone to have been against the 2008 US AIRWAYS agreement and vote for the very folks who negotiated it, recommended it, and pushed it.  But, that's whose on Team Delaney's ticket.

Our US E board representatives may have endorsed; but it was on the recommendation of the UA NC and the UA E Board representatives. Let's keep in mind though, the membership at UA, endorsed and ratified the agreement as well. Am I to vote against US E Board candidates who endorsed a TA recommended by fellow UA E Board members and the UA NC? Are we to vote against candidates based on a perception of there could have been better? Are we to ignore the fact that the UA contract was ratified, much to our dissenting opinion, by the membership by a margin of 70% to 30%? In the end... who is ultimately to blame? If I, as a union representative, told you to jump off the nearest bridge would you do it? It's time the membership gets engaged, educated and sheds the self centered and apathetic approach. Until this is addressed and corrected I don't believe much will change. 

 

[ChockJockey]

If I had to wager, I would think P.Rez will retain his position, as I am seeing not much smoke and forget the heat from the opposition.

 
I like Art, he's fun to work with.  But I won't be voting for him.
 
Even if the things he's been saying about Pat are true, that he sucks, is doing a bad job, doesn't care about the membership and is just trying to line himself up for a cushy management job in the future, etc., it doesn't change the fact that Art lacks the experience and skill necessary to be an effective AGC.  At least Pat has earned his criticisms, Art just seems to b*tch and sit around.

 

[ChockJockey]

I will consider that a threat sir and file it. Obviously you know something i dont and ill consider it a threat. Noted and saved to computer.

 

 

[Kev3188]

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56150-why-tim-nelson-is-dangerous-to-iam-represented-employees-at-united-airlines/?p=1031967

Josh

 
 

It actually took you a full hour to comb through 129 posts?  Wow. He started posting legitimate stuff (not necessarily content I agree/support but it was at least articulate and somewhat well written.  
 
 
Since mid-2012 he has been posting this gibberish.  
 
 

TIMMY IN DEEP
DOODOO LOOK
LIK AA/TWU HAS
THEY OWN ROABILY!
 
DAVE

 
 
I posted a post from Kev3188 remarking that he too was under the impression BLUTO is a communications rep for IAM 141.
 
Josh

How you confused a rhetorical question with an indictment is beyond me. As noted in the post you keep insisting on using, yeah, I hope it's not DL. But in the end, if it is, he'll find he's done more harm than good.

In the meantime, is there a reason why you, ROA & a few other insist on dragging this thread out into the weeds?

 

[Solidarity]

He was on the district computer.
Who the hell cares? Its not me like you claim. Maybe you are really mike fairbanks. Since you dont stand behind your name we really dont know. One thing is sure though, when you address me as nelson, im exactly who you are addressing. None of ur candidates stand behind their name. Case closed!

How could ROABilly be Fairbanks when they are in DC with the NMB.  Do not think it would be too respectful to engage with a Federal entity and be on the Internet communicating with you Tim.  Retort?

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

In the meantime, is there a reason why you, ROA & a few other insist on dragging this thread out into the weeds?

Simple really, one side isn't happy with the IAM, the other side belives the IAM to be a pure as the driven snow and as such is above reproach.
 
Ego and politics rule the day.Meanwhile the rank and file both sides claim to champion make $2.00 per hour less than we do at AA.
 
Well done.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Our US E board representatives may have endorsed; but it was on the recommendation of the UA NC and the UA E Board representatives. Let's keep in mind though, the membership at UA, endorsed and ratified the agreement as well. Am I to vote against US E Board candidates who endorsed a TA recommended by fellow UA E Board members and the UA NC? Are we to vote against candidates based on a perception of there could have been better? Are we to ignore the fact that the UA contract was ratified, much to our dissenting opinion, by the membership by a margin of 70% to 30%? In the end... who is ultimately to blame? If I, as a union representative, told you to jump off the nearest bridge would you do it? It's time the membership gets engaged, educated and sheds the self centered and apathetic approach. Until this is addressed and corrected I don't believe much will change. 

The membership can always be more engaged. The fact that it isn't is witness against the leadership which truly hasn't made a difference.  As a union guy, the thought of endorsing the United contract wouldn't enter my mind.  Whatever the case, most of the US AIRWAYS candidates on Team Delaney endorsed, negotiated, and recommended a worse contract, i.e., the 2008 US AIRWAYS contract.   So, in 6 years, they endorsed the UA contract and recommended the POS 2008 contract.  And we are suppose to vote on these guys to move our craft up when they are the ones who moved it down everywhere?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nominations are one thing. When the vote happens, " The cup turn'th over ". 

Whoever has had the big hubs in nominations have always won, 100% of the time.  Maybe this is the one time, but I don't see anything but a wave of change.  Time will tell.

 

[pjirish317]

 

Whoever has had the big hubs in nominations have always won, 100% of the time.  Maybe this is the one time, but I don't see anything but a wave of change.  Time will tell.

 Is that what happened 2 years ago?

 

[rockit2]

This is what pizzes me off, These election should not be based on the love hate relationships that goes on in this forum. It should be based on the AGC's performance. These jobs affect allot of peoples lives, not just their own and they are well paid for what they do. If you don't perform how can they expect to be voted in?
 
I have said this before...... I can't remember the last time my station has had an AGC come and visit. Most of the news we get comes from people we know in the hubs, Greivence's are never answered and management just has there way. It's like paying dues with no action.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Is that what happened 2 years ago?

yes. Delaneys team got the top 7 hubs each year since 2008 except sfo and iad in 2008 were canales only hubs.
The reality is that almost everyone on delaneys ticket this time did not get endorsed at their home locals as well.

 

[700UW]

You touted you got all the US hub nominations, yet you finished dead last.

 

[Kev3188]

This is what pizzes me off, These election should not be based on the love hate relationships that goes on in this forum. It should be based on the AGC's performance. These jobs affect allot of peoples lives, not just their own and they are well paid for what they do. If you don't perform how can they expect to be voted in?
 
I have said this before...... I can't remember the last time my station has had an AGC come and visit. Most of the news we get comes from people we know in the hubs, Greivence's are never answered and management just has there way. It's like paying dues with no action.

I agree with you on AGC performance. I've had both some awful ones, and ones that were on top of their game. The latter made a world of difference in how things went.

 

[robbedagain]

rockit   were there any agc who would prefer to work with mgmt. to resolve grievances?   in my station  its worth more for me to contact one agc out of my station bec our current one prefers to settle with mgmt.  and its often not a good thing   just my honest opin on that     It would be nice if AGCs would come to every single mainline city sometimes each yr 

 

[ograc]

Simple really, one side isn't happy with the IAM, the other side belives the IAM to be a pure as the driven snow and as such is above reproach.
 
Ego and politics rule the day.Meanwhile the rank and file both sides claim to champion make $2.00 per hour less than we do at AA.
 
Well done.

 

Simple really, one side isn't happy with the IAM, the other side belives the IAM to be a pure as the driven snow and as such is above reproach.
 
Ego and politics rule the day.Meanwhile the rank and file both sides claim to champion make $2.00 per hour less than we do at AA.
 
Well done.

As stated earlier... it must be election time. One side got voted in on the promise of change. To this goal I believe many of the candidates, not all, have given their best effort. The Delaney Team is up against the same enemy the Canale Team faced. Airlines who want to squeeze cost savings out of the represented groups. You can can elect and change union leadership as many times as you wish but the agenda of the companies does not change. The other side of the equation is to change leadership again believing the outcome will be different. This idea is being proposed by the candidates running in opposition. Their idealogy is being submitted on this forum by TN. Tim spearheaded the uprising against the Canale team and not too long ago endorsed the Delaney team as the team that would bring about this change in direction. Fast forward to 2014 and now the Delaney team is the enemy and we should, once again, support and vote his newly endorsed team into office. Tim points out many failures of the current leadership team in his opinion. It has been duly noted. But in the end; no leadership team wins them all. Campaign promises are easy to make. It's another thing to fullfill them. Ask anyone on the current leadership team that Tim endorsed 6 years ago. Easy to talk the talk. Another thing to walk the walk.