2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

 
 
 
The reality of the situation is that the UnifiedforChange team is most likely going to win and the current folks need to start placing their uniform orders or get them on discount on ebay.  I feel  good about PHX, and we may win CLT as well but it could be split, PHL may go to 141falling.  The United side of things will be strong for unifiedforchange candidates.  Most members realize that the divisions created by the incumbents and the constant talking down to members has to be changed out for unity and the continual building that the unifiedforchange team has already accomplished.  I myself have ever reached out to "key" twu folks in MIA, ORD, and DFW, and we've agreed that we will continue building things in our new relationship with the association. 

And as someone who holds one of those "keys" here in MIA I can honestly say that your name has not been mentioned here, sorry. 

"Reached out he said.......and they have agreed to build."  And his name is not even mentioned?     Boy is he full of himself !!! 

 

[700UW]

We all now what the TWU thinks of Tim and is attempt to raid the TWU with the AGW.
 
And ask P.Rez after the merger with HP who called him looking for a TWU job if he helped them in getting cards signed.

 

[Harry Callahan]

WEAA:
Nelson will never list qualifications.
 
Harry

 

[WeAAsles]

"Reached out he said.......and they have agreed to build."  And his name is not even mentioned?     Boy is he full of himself !!! 

In DFW a long time ago during Tim's AGW idea contact was a member named Hershel Coger. Hershel is no longer there and has retired down to Key West possibly running a charter boat service. There was one other guy who is still there and is a very good friend of mine but he has since realized that Tim is out for Tim and no longer has any interest in what he is trying to sell. As for ORD I know the one person he is probably trying to allude to and I think Tim may be barking up the wrong tree with him.

 

[WeAAsles]

We all now what the TWU thinks of Tim and is attempt to raid the TWU with the AGW.
 
And ask P.Rez after the merger with HP who called him looking for a TWU job if he helped them in getting cards signed.

Those in key positions within the TWU know very well about Tim Nelson. There is a complete and detailed dossier.

 

[Other People]

Since Tim seems to represent his entire team at least here on this forum what the members who are considering them should ask of Tim is a list of their qualifications and experience for consideration? It's actually very easy to do if they have those things. Here I'll start it out.

Tim Nelson:

Tim and all of us have also asked what accomplishments have 141falling done with 6 years?  Thus far, the answer is nothing, so they just blame Tim.   Myself and others have asked this very question, but all they do is blame Tim and avoid the question.  That's not good enough for most of our members.  The way I see it, 141falling is a group of half a million dollar men. Getting rich on the membership wallet and agreeing on open end contracts is the reason why we are in this predicament, and the reason why I'll be shocked if any of them win their election. I wish the usair brothers and sisters well in their contract negotiations, but I hope they don't just blindly vote for all of the United airline candidates on the 141rising slate.  Vote for who you know, but I ask that you all fill in the other blanks with the United airline candidates from the unifiedforchange ballot.

 

[700UW]

Nice way to spin it around, do you think people will fall for it?
 
Tim has to sell himself and his fellow running mates, why is he scared to list their qualifications?
 
So you are basically saying dont vote for them, vote against them and vote for Tim.
 
How sad and pathetic.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Damn how many screen names does Nelson have
 
Harry

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim and all of us have also asked what accomplishments have 141falling done with 6 years?  Thus far, the answer is nothing, so they just blame Tim.   Myself and others have asked this very question, but all they do is blame Tim and avoid the question.  That's not good enough for most of our members.  The way I see it, 141falling is a group of half a million dollar men. Getting rich on the membership wallet and agreeing on open end contracts is the reason why we are in this predicament, and the reason why I'll be shocked if any of them win their election. I wish the usair brothers and sisters well in their contract negotiations, but I hope they don't just blindly vote for all of the United airline candidates on the 141rising slate.  Vote for who you know, but I ask that you all fill in the other blanks with the United airline candidates from the unifiedforchange ballot.

So saving people's jobs is not something that you consider an accomplishment? Remember due to reasons of individual confidentiality those names cannot be listed but I'm sure they are many.

What you are asking is for people to take a leap of faith and vote in those who have no experience but have the passion I assume? If these people truly have that passion then they should have started from the ground and worked their way up as Stewards.

Yes the IAM has a school that can teach them all the necessary basics if they win but what do the members do in the meantime as these people have to gain experience over time? Who winds up suffering for their shortfalls?

Does a member who has been terminated want to be a test subject?

 

[Tim Nelson]

So saving people's jobs is not something that you consider an accomplishment? Remember due to reasons of individual confidentiality those names cannot be listed but I'm sure they are many.

What you are asking is for people to take a leap of faith and vote in those who have no experience but have the passion I assume? If these people truly have that passion then they should have started from the ground and worked their way up as Stewards.

Yes the IAM has a school that can teach them all the necessary basics if they win but what do the members do in the meantime as these people have to gain experience over time? Who winds up suffering for their shortfalls?

Does a member who has been terminated want to be a test subject?

Not sure what you are talking about.  The unifiedforchange ticket has more experience than any other ticket ever assembled.  Most of our members agree with Other People and realize that the 141falling group has destroyed more jobs out of bankruptcy than prior regimes did in bankruptcy.  Ask United.

 

[mike33]

Tim and all of us have also asked what accomplishments have 141falling done with 6 years?  Thus far, the answer is nothing, so they just blame Tim.   Myself and others have asked this very question, but all they do is blame Tim and avoid the question.  That's not good enough for most of our members.  The way I see it, 141falling is a group of half a million dollar men. Getting rich on the membership wallet and agreeing on open end contracts is the reason why we are in this predicament, and the reason why I'll be shocked if any of them win their election. I wish the usair brothers and sisters well in their contract negotiations, but I hope they don't just blindly vote for all of the United airline candidates on the 141rising slate.  Vote for who you know, but I ask that you all fill in the other blanks with the United airline candidates from the unifiedforchange ballot.

Thanks for the info tim but i think you covered that earlier
 
Timisms
 
Mistake

 

[WeAAsles]

Not sure what you are talking about.  The unifiedforchange ticket has more experience than any other ticket ever assembled.  Most of our members agree with Other People and realize that the 141falling group has destroyed more jobs out of bankruptcy than prior regimes did in bankruptcy.  Ask United.

Then why are you having such a difficult time listing that experience if it's so overwhelming prevalent Tim?

 

[700UW]

Not sure what you are talking about.  The unifiedforchange ticket has more experience than any other ticket ever assembled.  Most of our members agree with Other People and realize that the 141falling group has destroyed more jobs out of bankruptcy than prior regimes did in bankruptcy.  Ask United.

You still dodge the question.
 
What qualifications does AV have to be an AGC when he hasnt been a shop steward nor a grievance committeeman?
 
And this is a US board, they want to know about the US candidates, not UA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Then why are you having such a difficult time listing that experience if it's so overwhelming prevalent Tim?

It's listed on our website. Some just choose not to read it.  We have asked the incumbents to list their accomplishments over the past 6 years and the only thing they come up with is that they bought new Ipads and insourced the magazine.  WTH?

 

[WeAAsles]

It's listed on our website. Some just choose not to read it.  We have asked the incumbents to list their accomplishments over the past 6 years and the only thing they come up with is that they bought new Ipads and insourced the magazine.  WTH?

Alright Tim I have looked at the resume's of the 20 candidates on your slate. Personally I find 8 that I feel are not qualified to be running for the positions they seek. You have a few on there that have never even been a Steward and I wouldn't vote for anyone who hasn't gotten their hands dirty in that arena. In fairness I will admit that some of your other candidates have some good qualifications to be considered. 

Have you ever been a Steward Tim?