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Tim Nelson said:
 
  
 
From: Grievance Committee <cltgrievancecmtte@gmail.com>
Date: June 2, 2014 at 10:44:24 PM EDT
To: baskett62@hotmail.com
Subject: DISTRICT ELECTIONS
 
 


       6-2-14
 
                                                                                                                         DISTRICT ELECTIONS
 
I want to take a few minutes to explain to everyone personally what we are facing. We are about to face the most important election at US Airways since I have been in the union. There are two different teams running for positions at the district level. I have always promised I would do whats best for this membership. I have even turned down the opportunity in the past to run for a much larger district position with much better pay. So I ask all of you to believe that I am here for all of our best interest. I am the current grievance chair here in clt and also the VP at large for the district. The district job is a Pt job that makes 75.00 a month. So its not for the money that I do this job. Clt,s day to vote is set for Thursday June 12th. And since I wont be here due to being in negotiations there are some things that everyone needs to know about this election.
         FIRST: We are outnumbered already at the district level by United Airlines. They have 30,000 plus members to our 6,000 members. Due to their larger size they get 34 positions on the district board to our 8. However the Unified for change team that is running against us, thinks that those numbers should be 36 to 6. Yes they are supporting taking two board positions from the US side and giving it to the UA side. Due to UA being so much larger than US. These are two positions if they are successful that we will never get back on the board.
        SECOND: There are currently 4 members on our negotiating team that could be voted out of their positions. The unified for change team is trying to replace these people with agents that have very little experience. Some of them have not even been shop steward before. But yet they want to replace the AGC,s and VP and Trustee positions, all of which are on the current negotiating team. Everyone that is currently on the negotiations team, was placed there by Delaney because we have the support of our membership in our respective cities. This sends the company a very strong message. If we now show them at this late stage in negotiations that we don't have the support of the membership, then that would kill us in negotiations. So Delaney would probably have no choice but to replace us. Which by the way, would mean that we would have nobody representing clt our largest hub left on the team. We are right at the end of our section 6 talks, and will very soon be going into talks for the joint agreement for a leading industry contract. Even if you put the lack of experience from the other team aside, there couldn't be a worse time to want to change 4 members out of the negotiating team. Bringing in new people at this point could very well put us back to square one in negotiations. Of course the other team will tell you this wont or cant happen. Simply Not True..
         THIRD: This is the most important election for US airways, because as you can see from the numbers above we are vastly outnumbered by united. However, its US airways that is right in the middle of negotiations, not united. I hope all of you can see by the numbers how important it is for the US employees to show up and vote. We MUST turn out a high percentage to protect what is best for us. You need to come out on the 12th and vote. Not only you, but tell your buddy next to you to get up and come and vote. All of us need to care enough, or we will be regretting this for a long time to come.
         FOURTH: It is very disappointing to me to see some US people that are supporting the unified for change team when by doing so, will be so detrimental to us fleet service. We will be setting ourselves back for no reason, other than just wanting change. I hope those few people after reading this will reconsider supporting a team that is not in it for the best interest of us fleet.
         FIFTH: It is not only disappointing to me, but actually unbelievable that one of our own grievance committee guys here in clt is supporting the unified for change team. Tracy Russo is running for AGC on the unified for change team. I understand Rick wanting to support his wife, but I cant understand Rick wanting to support the whole team, when the unified for change team is only going to screw the Us members if they get in. When I mentioned the things above to him, and how detrimental they were to our membership here at US airways fleet, his only response was " well they don't know that " . I can only guess its because of the money his wife has a chance to make if she gets elected, for his reason to not tell you this. Yes Rick and I have been friends for a long time, This is nothing personal against him, but he is the one that chose to support their whole team. I am the one that decided to tell you the whole truth, including even the part that you didn't know.  I have a lot of other good friends out there that I represent, and you need to know whats going on. Because I know for certain, he or his wife is not telling you these things. Everyone should ask him about the above issues in my opinion when he ask for you to vote for the unified for change team. Or for anybody that supports that team. They should tell you why they support doing whats mentioned above. If they tell you it cant happen, they simply aren't being honest with you.   
In the end, you will have to decide who is really here for the membership. Someone that is telling you the whole story? Or someone that is only telling you the parts they want you to here. You will be getting two different stories. You will be the one that has to determine who is telling you the truth. I needed to let everyone know the severity of next weeks vote on the 12th since I wont be here, and you probably will only be hearing one side of the story. Please think hard and serious about this election. Think about what is best for you and your family and our contract. 
I think if you give it some consideration, you will know this is not the time to change things now. I don't think there could be a worse time. I ask all of you to vote for the 141 Rising slate. It is this slate that will keep everything intact, and will keep us moving forward and not backwards. YOU MUST DECIDE AND VOTE. WE HAVE TO GET THE NUMBERS OUT. VOTE 141 RISING
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Mark Baskett                 
Received this  disturbing e-mail,  expecting to get an update on UNION BUISNESS not  CAMPAIGN PROPAGANDA
 
"Good Grief Charlie Brown", did you obtain Canales old campaign material of the Fear and scare tactics .  "Replacing the neg team"  "Now's not the time for Change"  "You will regret it for years to  come" "Don't believe them they don't have experience"  All those deceptive tricks they tried to pull in 2008 and now those words are coming out of your mouth . Boy how Titles and Money changes people. You were infuriated by those phrases in '08 and now those phrases are coming straight out of your mouth.   The following Posts are going to be reponses to your "Canalists" e-mail you sent out using members e-mails that were expecting updates on UNION BUSINESS not Campaign Rhetoric . You guys will go to any length to get votes. What ever happened to letting your accomplishments do the talking.   I will touch on all the accomplishments that have happened in the last 6 yrs in a few moments.
 
737823 said:
Just shows how ineffective of a negotiator he is if he "went ballistic and it took a day and half to calm everything down". You guys are up against highly educated, smart and focused negotiators and to have people like Sito go in and "represent" you that way is beyond pathetic. It is no wonder you still don't have an agreement after nearly three years of negotiations.

Josh
jOSH, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT THE F UP, it's about time somebody got rebeled up.
 
737823 said:
Notice I said nearly three years.

No I didn't miss Tim what makes you say that?

Temper or not AH squeezed unprecedented concessions out of you and your team and you are bitter. You ran away with your tail between your legs and got owned by the company yet you come on here boasting about it.

Josh
He didnt squeeze jack from us, they used the bankruptcy laws to abrogate a CBA.

Where is your criticism of AMFA when NW got rid of all of them?
 
I didnt run anywhere, so keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
No union would agree to layoff 46% of the workforce.
 
This thread is about US Fleet Service, not me, not mechanic and related.
 
Nice try at deflecting but it wont work.
 
robbedagain said:
how am I incorrect here?  this is what was told  to all of us yesterday and today.  Although our local shop steward believes AA metal count is already added in with US metal count to keep cities at least in the short term    AA has 17 mainline ramp cities w 600 planes  and US has 300 planes with 36 or 37 cities with mainline ramp   now take for example BWI we have 13 M/L jets (based on a monday schd) sometimes 14 or 15 depending on the day of the week,  per week we have over 56 flts  take that and add in AA metal (presuming the agreement is either in place or will be part of TA) which is roughly 10 or so give or take and it adds up quickly    
Who was the IAM rep that told you this?
 
"FIRST: We are outnumbered already at the district level by United Airlines. They have 30,000 plus members to our 6,000 members. Due to their larger size they get 34 positions on the district board to our 8. However the Unified for change team that is running against us, thinks that those numbers should be 36 to 6. Yes they are supporting taking two board positions from the US side and giving it to the UA side. Due to UA being so much larger than US. These are two positions if they are successful that we will never get back on the board."
 
Might want to rethink those numbers  because of 141 rising and Rich Delaney's "Monumental Contract"  cost about 2,000 members there jobs and the carnage isn't over yet still have more closing of more stations.  You emphasis how important the E-board is but yet how many sCO members were on Delaney's ticket in 2012 ,  that would be a big ZERO. So having a voice on the      E-board is a complete joke. Heck the US AGC's couldn't even make a motion to get Orgainizers T-shirts for fear of speaking up. But yet you say you DIDN'T support the UA T/A but Delaney said publicly that the E-Board unanimously supported the UA T/A . so which is it.. Be honest the E-Board is a dictatorship lead by Rich Delaney
 
700UW said:
He didnt squeeze jack from us, they used the bankruptcy laws to abrogate a CBA.

Where is your criticism of AMFA when NW got rid of all of them?
 
I didnt run anywhere, so keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
No union would agree to layoff 46% of the workforce.
 
This thread is about US Fleet Service, not me, not mechanic and related.
 
Nice try at deflecting but it wont work.
Either way they won over concessions from your team. The company accomplished what they were seeking and prevailed.

Josh
 
Is it too hard for you to comprehend what happened?

How many times does it have to be explained to you?

The laws are written to protect the company and creditors, not the employees.

We gave them a full offer that met the ask, they rejected it as it kept people working.
 
" SECOND: There are currently 4 members on our negotiating team that could be voted out of their positions. The unified for change team is trying to replace these people with agents that have very little experience. Some of them have not even been shop steward before. But yet they want to replace the AGC,s and VP and Trustee positions, all of which are on the current negotiating team. Everyone that is currently on the negotiations team, was placed there by Delaney because we have the support of our membership in our respective cities. This sends the company a very strong message. If we now show them at this late stage in negotiations that we don't have the support of the membership, then that would kill us in negotiations. So Delaney would probably have no choice but to replace us. Which by the way, would mean that we would have nobody representing clt our largest hub left on the team. We are right at the end of our section 6 talks, and will very soon be going into talks for the joint agreement for a leading industry contract. Even if you put the lack of experience from the other team aside, there couldn't be a worse time to want to change 4 members out of the negotiating team. Bringing in new people at this point could very well put us back to square one in negotiations. Of course the other team will tell you this wont or cant happen. Simply Not True
The  Negotiating Team is Appointed by Delaney not voted on by the membership. (half truths) so win, lose or draw The Negotiating Team stays in place heck Delaney will probably do like he did at UA and create new "Special Rep Positions " to protect his boys with a nice union paycheck (provided by the memberships dues).  Where's the Democracy you used to preach " I think it's great that the membership has a choice" your words not mine. Guess that doesn't apply once you get into the MONEY JOBS!!  As far as CLT isn't NH our Secondary AGC .  Good time for him to take the LEAD  right ? And of course we still have  FO and MM so by my count US would still have 6 AGC's  even though we have lost cities.
There's never a good time for change now is there , Your team preached that 2yrs ago and what has the membership benefited from keeping you guys around . NOTHING ABSOULTELY NOTHING. 
 
kev ,
thanks,
Just couldn't sit back and continue to see blantant DISHONESTY. all for a VOTE
 
There is politicking on both sides, why dont you call tim out also?
 
orioleman said:
Received this  disturbing e-mail,  expecting to get an update on UNION BUISNESS not  CAMPAIGN PROPAGANDA
 
"Good Grief Charlie Brown", did you obtain Canales old campaign material of the Fear and scare tactics .  "Replacing the neg team"  "Now's not the time for Change"  "You will regret it for years to  come" "Don't believe them they don't have experience"  All those deceptive tricks they tried to pull in 2008 and now those words are coming out of your mouth . Boy how Titles and Money changes people. You were infuriated by those phrases in '08 and now those phrases are coming straight out of your mouth.   The following Posts are going to be reponses to your "Canalists" e-mail you sent out using members e-mails that were expecting updates on UNION BUSINESS not Campaign Rhetoric . You guys will go to any length to get votes. What ever happened to letting your accomplishments do the talking.   I will touch on all the accomplishments that have happened in the last 6 yrs in a few moments.
Welcome back Orioleman...good to hear from you again. You i believe to be authentic.
 
rockit  I will not go into details of who came and all  but I am simply stating that in our meeting yesterday and this morning that the helping hand thing is also not there  meaning US folks work US metal and AA folks work AA metal.
 
thanks  mike,
hope all is well on the left coast.  " Hang Ten" or is that not in the surfing terminology anymore.. LOL
 
mike how's the Bagfather doing still around or has he moved on into better things ?
the wife is really wanting to  go to SAN might have to look you up if we get out that way
 
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