2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

oman,
 
How do you know what is or isn't in this T/A that you speak of? I haven't seem anything in writing, have you? If you have please share it on here for all to see. Kind of like tim's "GHOST" term sheet tat was supposed to be out June 1, where is that? If/when a T/A is presented to us, I will read it for myself and make my own decision. I will not take the word of anybody who proclaims to "know" when all they know is heresay at this point. There is NO PROOF WHAT-SO-EVER as to what is or is not in any T/A! What ever comes out will be scrutinized, picked apart, and so on. But in the end, who decides if it is acceptable or not? We the members will let the NC and the company know. If it is rejected, the NC knows there needs to be more done, if it is accepted, they have done their job by a majority vote. I am going to use a line of tim's, mark my words, that if the U4C slate is successful, the US side will suffer greatly. PHL, PHX, and CLT will suffer because the lack of experience.
 
PS
Where is westfield?

Again, please tell me what that eboard seat has meant for US AIRWAYS members other than another bobblehead voting on where the next convention is going to be?

 

[WeAAsles]

Again, please tell me what that eboard seat has meant for US AIRWAYS members other than another bobblehead voting on where the next convention is going to be?

"bobblehead"

Tim you ever count how many "Trigger Words" you actually use?

Just curious.

 

[Tim Nelson]

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How would you ever know if in the same person or not. For some reason you went I the down low and decided to quite speaking. So you don't have a clue what my opinions are. And I don't have a clue what your talking about with your family. I have never said anything negative about your family on here or anywhere. I think family is off limits. If your talking about RR and me. His family is running. She is subject to be talked about just like anyone on the ticket. I've personally told her that I have no problem with her. I do have a problem with RR supporting her whole ticket. I don't have a problem with him supporting her. He is a US airways committee man, voted in the the membership to have their back. The Us airways members will be screwed big time of the other ticket succeeds. And yes that bothers me that he supports that being in his elected position. As far as phone numbers. I haven't deleted anyone's phone number including yours. So if you have any issues about family or whatever your talking about feel free to call.

some people don't have to tell the "Whole Truth" by lying as you do.  Keep lying out your ass telling members that you only have made $75 a month when you are on the union dime as AGC.  You couldn't carry Rick Russo's jockstrap and he handles most of the grievances anyways in CLT because you are always gone.  I really don't think it is a CLT privilege to have their Local Chairman as a VP.   CLT would be better served to have its Local Chairman as Local Chairman only and not in other positions that have the chairman flying around everywhere representing other members. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

"bobblehead"

Tim you ever count how many "Trigger Words" you actually use?

Just curious.

They are bobbleheads.  That's why our unions are so awful nowadays.

 

[700UW]

Rick is known as the deal maker by his stewards, he will make a deal before taking the fight to the company.
 
Go ask catering all about it.

 

[WeAAsles]

They are bobbleheads.  That's why our unions are so awful nowadays.

 

some people don't have to tell the "Whole Truth" by lying as you do.  Keep lying out your ass telling members that you only have made $75 a month when you are on the union dime as AGC.  You couldn't carry Rick Russo's jockstrap and he handles most of the grievances anyways in CLT because you are always gone.  I really don't think it is a CLT privilege to have their Local Chairman as a VP.   CLT would be better served to have its Local Chairman as Local Chairman only and not in other positions that have the chairman flying around everywhere representing other members. 

Tim what is the pay rate that you will be making if you win an elected position? Are there any assurances you are prepared to make to your members that you are not interested in taking advantage of that pay as you accuse others of doing?

I mean you have mentioned before when you were an organizer and the membership "paid" you. It just seemed to me from that statment a few weeks ago that you were very interested in being "paid" again.

Remember that I highlighted the "PAID" part in red at the time.

 

[WeAAsles]

They are bobbleheads.  That's why our unions are so awful nowadays.

So you are saying that somehow with your lack of experience to the position that you are aspiring to that you would not also wind up being just a "Bobblehead"

How long do you believe you will need to be trained in that position to actually become affective? 

You do seem like you are trying to skip a few steps within your structure to obtain a position that may possibly wind up being over your head? Not to say that you may not wind up being one of the best ever seen in that position but it may take your whole term almost to obtain that level of proficiency?

And my comment comes from reading your own bio that you posted.

 

[BLUTO]

NIELSON WNTZ
EVRYONE 2 B
BOBBLHED ONLY
4 HM>ASK OMAN!
OMAN LOST 100K
CUSH JOB CUZ OF
NIELSON>NOW HE
SWEAT ON RAMP!

 

[Tim Nelson]

So you are saying that somehow with your lack of experience to the position that you are aspiring to that you would not also wind up being just a "Bobblehead"

How long do you believe you will need to be trained in that position to actually become affective? 

You do seem like you are trying to skip a few steps within your structure to obtain a position that may possibly wind up being over your head? Not to say that you may not wind up being one of the best ever seen in that position but it may take your whole term almost to obtain that level of proficiency?

And my comment comes from reading your own bio that you posted.

Education should always be ongoing and I'm sure I will continue to learn as an AGC, if so elected. But I don't subscribe to some of the paradigms that unions use today, for instance, cost neutral negotiations. I reject that idea. Just like I had to establish a new paradigm for the IAM in organizing.  We need to change courses because, quite frankly, our unions suck pretty bad.  That's my opinion and I believe that is based on strong evidence.  However, if someone doesn't want to change things then they should vote for Charlie Brown and keep the current officers.  OTOH, if someone can't see where the union starts and management ends, then they should vote for change, because paying $750 a year and not being able to see the difference between union and management is unacceptable.

 

[WeAAsles]

NIELSON WNTZ
EVRYONE 2 B
BOBBLHED ONLY
4 HM>ASK OMAN!
OMAN LOST 100K
CUSH JOB CUZ OF
NIELSON>NOW HE
SWEAT ON RAMP!

This is not actually meant to put Tim down. I ran for a position once and a guy told me that he wasn't going to vote for me because he didn't think I was qualified for the job. He was concerned "rightfully so" that my lack of experience could possibly cause others harm.

Sure I disagreed with him but unless I was actually tested in the position I can't say if I was right or he was?

Some people may not want to be the "Guinea Pig" test case if their job is on the line?  

 

[WeAAsles]

Education should always be ongoing and I'm sure I will continue to learn as an AGC, if so elected. But I don't subscribe to some of the paradigms that unions use today, for instance, cost neutral negotiations. I reject that idea. Just like I had to establish a new paradigm for the IAM in organizing.  We need to change courses because, quite frankly, our unions suck pretty bad.  That's my opinion and I believe that is based on strong evidence.  However, if someone doesn't want to change things then they should vote for Charlie Brown and keep the current officers.  OTOH, if someone can't see where the union starts and management ends, then they should vote for change, because paying $750 a year and not being able to see the difference between union and management is unacceptable.

Ok but you are bringing up issues that may not involve you in any way shape or form really. You may not be a part of that NC?

What about the other issues that you will be tasked with? Such as members jobs being on the line?

Doesn't matter what we get in negotiations if a man is no longer working here and can't enjoy those benefits.

Just my 3 cents.

 

[WeAAsles]

Have to run a few errands. Be back later. 😀 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok but you are bringing up issues that may not involve you in any way shape or form really. You may not be a part of that NC?

What about the other issues that you will be tasked with? Such as members jobs being on the line?

Doesn't matter what we get in negotiations if a man is no longer working here and can't enjoy those benefits.

Just my 3 cents.

It doesn't necessarily follow that just because someone may not be on the negotiations committee that a person won't have an impact on the negotiations in any way.  I haven't even needed titles to have an effect on the shape of negotiations at either IAM141 airline. That said, any AGC, including MM or NH who aren't in negotiations do in fact have a position that does impact negotiations, and so would anyone else voted in. I seriously doubt either of those two would stay silent or not be asked to endorse a TA.

 

[IAM Member Here]

Negotiations update


The NMB is calling us back to the table June 10-12 in D.C.

P. Rez

You are a disgrace.  At this critical moment of negotiations, you bail out on the members and walk away from negotiations so you can stay in PHX and make sure you get your votes.  I was voting for all the usairways candidates but now Ill have to mark your name off along with Charlie brown's.  And I don't like my agc but I will vote for him.  Incredible, all the talk about negotiations but you bail out on the team for your own political gain and decide to hand out your cards and ask for votes.  Your priorities tell me all I need to know about you. 

 

[robbedagain]

how do you know he walked out on the negotiations when the NMB controls it all at this stage?