2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

ding ding ding ding... 

Dinner ready?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Is this above and beyond the earlier posts of things you didnt like the idea of?  
 
i mean for starters?  maybe you should have started with that, not the other 4 things you "dont like the idea of" but have no basis to make any of the claims you have made... highlight sheets are not the end all be all and just because something is not on it doesnt mean you get to make things up! absense of it on the highlight sheet doesnt give you free reign to assume something is on there!!! when there is zero evidence except you having diarrhea of the mouth...
 
last night you were preaching patience we need to see the language first. i guess you threw that right out the window for today???

i havent made any judgements yet and i really have no idea what you are talking about. Cripes, I have actually made positive comments as well about some things on the highlight sheet. There is nothing wrong with speculating things from the highlight sheet otherwise why put it out?

 

[PHXConx]

Dinner ready?

im sure if we wait long enough tim will feed us something... 
 
this is how rumors start and people get the wrong idea of what is on the actual contract because people in "leadership" positions whether in reality or trying to be. misrepesent what we know.  if we stick to what we know discuss that we spend more time on actual language when it comes out, not trying to fix things people that think  because for whatever reason they think  timmy knows more than the rest of us prior to the actual language comes out, then when it does come out we have to spend days or weeks reigning in rumors made prior to seeing the real language.
 
And anyone that wants to be a leader should know that..  should be playing this the way he would want others to do so if he was in charge...  

 

[WeAAsles]

i havent made any judgements yet and i really have no idea what you are talking about. Cripes, I have actually made positive comments as well about some things on the highlight sheet. There is nothing wrong with speculating things from the highlight sheet otherwise why put it out?

I did catch earlier in the day that you said a few positives Tim. The problem is that so many are used to your "Negative Nellie" schtick that they gloss over when you see a half full glass.

Sorry bro but you brought that on yourself over the years.

 

[WeAAsles]

im sure if we wait long enough tim will feed us something... 
 
this is how rumors start and people get the wrong idea of what is on the actual contract because people in "leadership" positions whether in reality or trying to be. misrepesent what we know.  if we stick to what we know discuss that we spend more time on actual language when it comes out, not trying to fix things people that think  because for whatever reason they think  timmy knows more than the rest of us prior to the actual language comes out, then when it does come out we have to spend days or weeks reigning in rumors made prior to seeing the real language.
 
And anyone that wants to be a leader should know that..  should be playing this the way he would want others to do so if he was in charge...  

Dude rumor whacking seems to be more my full time job than AA is sometimes.

I'd rather sit under a tree with a beer and a blond personally.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I did catch earlier in the day that you said a few positives Tim. The problem is that so many are used to your "Negative Nellie" schtick that they gloss over when you see a half full glass.
Sorry bro but you brought that on yourself over the years.

oh, without a doubt i am not convinced. What brought it about was 15 years of shittyy iam representation.

 

[Tim Nelson]

im sure if we wait long enough tim will feed us something... 
 
this is how rumors start and people get the wrong idea of what is on the actual contract because people in "leadership" positions whether in reality or trying to be. misrepesent what we know.  if we stick to what we know discuss that we spend more time on actual language when it comes out, not trying to fix things people that think  because for whatever reason they think  timmy knows more than the rest of us prior to the actual language comes out, then when it does come out we have to spend days or weeks reigning in rumors made prior to seeing the real language.
 
And anyone that wants to be a leader should know that..  should be playing this the way he would want others to do so if he was in charge...

I always bring facts and will again when we see your great contract. The union leaders lied out of their asses at united so lets hope they are honest this time. Our people deserve it.

 

[WeAAsles]

oh, without a doubt i am not convinced. What brought it about was 15 years of shittyy iam representation.

You mean 15 years of a tide being against us on all fronts right? Man if you were in an elected position you would have gotten blown over by the same 200 MPH headwinds.

You MAY be going in at the best time for the US Airline industry since 1978.

Don't take all the credit if you do win.

 

[PHXConx]

i havent made any judgements yet and i really have no idea what you are talking about. Cripes, I have actually made positive comments as well about some things on the highlight sheet. There is nothing wrong with speculating things from the highlight sheet otherwise why put it out?

you want to be in a leadership position, you want people to vote for you, if they did, and yiou were in charge, how would you feel if some one else did the exact same thing you are speculating, adding language to the highlight sheet and assuming things are on the contract that may or may not be on it?
 
with no real evidence. id like people i vote for to lead by example...  not bloviate endlessly because for some reason they think it makes others think that the louder you are the more you denigrate others efforts that means you are a better leader?  but then again bullies think they are leaders too..  
 
It reminds me of that junior officer just got his bars, he is "salty"  hes out there barking orders, putting down sergeants because how does that non com know more than him... (hes got a ring) then when they are out on patrol and hes crapping his pants.. and the non com saves his ass... 
 
sometimes a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. 
 
there is a problem with speculating and putting it out there as fact, you have made several comments today that you "heard"  heard from who?  how do we know what that is, i heard alot of things earlier today i have since learned isnt true, did i go out and blab i heard this?  no! do you  know why? because i have no idea its true.. just like you.. you want to lead us?  then act like a leader.  

 

[WeAAsles]

Sito Pantoja, IAM general vice president, said in a prepared statement: "When these tentative contracts are ratified by IAM members at US Airways, the IAM-TWU Alliance will then begin the process of negotiating joint contacts that will cover over 30,000 alliance members at the 'new' American Airlines."

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12745168/1/biggest-us-airways-union-backs-contract-deal-breaks-logjam-at-american.html

Wall Street was happy with this news today.

 

[PHXConx]

I always bring facts and will again when we see your great contract. The union leaders lied out of their asses at united so lets hope they are honest this time. Our people deserve it.

facts based on what your assumptions of what?  you have the same thing the rest of us do, a highlight sheet, everything else is bullsh*t until we have language to prove it..
 
our people do deserve it, but they deserve real facts not things out of your twisted mind.  while you read between the lines of a one page highlight sheet 

 

[WeAAsles]

By the way Tim you didn't need to rat on me for using your picture for just a little while.

Have a sense of humor for goodness gratious. Don't always be so serious.

 

[Tim Nelson]

facts based on what your assumptions of what?  you have the same thing the rest of us do, a highlight sheet, everything else is bullsh*t until we have language to prove it..
 
our people do deserve it, but they deserve real facts not things out of your twisted mind.  while you read between the lines of a one page highlight sheet

im not understanding your anger and im really not sure if you are being serious because i have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody is putting anything out as facts now.

 

[WeAAsles]

im not understanding your anger and im really not sure if you are being serious because i have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody is putting anything out as facts now.

Tim the comment "I heard" implies a connection that can be assumed to be fact. People will fly with your comments as you know something they don't.

And you know it also all too well.

 

[robbedagain]

just by looking at the highlight sheet  it does appear to look like it will be one of the better contracts if you were to compare it to say the 2005 and 08 contracts.  but only when its put out to the membership and viewed etc  put in writing and all then can we really know the facts..