2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[ograc]

idk, from what I heard it was pretty close, esp considering one side flying  around the country on their own dime and the other had positive space. Hopefully the winning side will view this as a wake up call and react accordingly.

If the incumbent leadership team does win; they should indeed, see the results as a wake up call. The membership will be voting again in two years for District leadership.  

 

[PHXConx]

Well i thought Tim was going to give us numbers last week?
 
i read from the change. facebook page that some stations were won but i never did see actual numbers... makes you wonder why... 

 

[robbedagain]

I did ask and was told to expect an answer but the answer is still elusive  

 

[roabilly]

idk, from what I heard it was pretty close, esp considering one side flying  around the country on their own dime and the other had positive space. Hopefully the winning side will view this as a wake up call and react accordingly.

Actually, it was the Membership that received the wake-up call...
 
The Membership chooses the Leadership, as well as accepting any Agreements that are presented to them by the Leadership. The Membership is in the driver’s seat, and it is they that ultimately have to weed out fact from fiction regarding potential officer candidates.
 
One side presented a lot of fiction, the other a lot of facts; the Membership chose who to believe and trust...

 

[roabilly]

One last observation-- The COMPANY received the loudest, wake-up call all!
 
To further explain my point-- There was a reason CLT had a historic voter turn-out for District Elections. Your current team did an excellent job of communicating the ramifications of voting for a slate top loaded with UA candidates. In addition, the turn-out was driven by the Membership’s determination to get a fair Agreement with the EXISTING team that had already done 99.9% of the work!
 
To the CLT Membership... I was astounded at your involvement in the process of Officer Elections. You have demonstrated that unity, cohesion, and support of your Leadership will prevail in the collective in your station. In essence, you guys took charge, and showed the other stations what solidarity is all about! I’ll assure you, the Company noticed! Before I retired, I worked hard to get people involved in the process. I even accused some of you being apathetic... YOU have proven me WRONG, and I can’t think of anything better to be wrong about!
 
I’m sure your chosen Leaders are very proud of your unity, patience, and tenacity. If you maintain, and build on those same attributes moving forward... you may very well lead the Industry in Collective Bargaining for your classification! 

 

[Tim Nelson]

idk, from what I heard it was pretty close, esp considering one side flying  around the country on their own dime and the other had positive space. Hopefully the winning side will view this as a wake up call and react accordingly.

Lol, Roabilly only wishes. Nobody is conceding anything. It is very close right now and wont be determined until July. Bottom line.  U4C is ahead, presently but not by much. Gives new meaning to "Too close to call".
 
 Regarding your comment, Cltrat, if myself and my team lost due to the extensive violations to the candidates and the members, this election will be rerun, set aside,  and we will need a 3rd DOL election.  It would be quite appalling to have to have a 3rd DOL supervised election since these guys have been in office.  But, in a twisted way, it would serve up all positions, even presidency in an all or one grab.

 

[WeAAsles]

If the incumbent leadership team does win; they should indeed, see the results as a wake up call. The membership will be voting again in two years for District leadership.  

If what's being said on here is true it's been a very tight race? Not everyone on Tim's team I'm sure behaved the way Tim did in the campaign so that is something whether they won or lost they should be commended for. And if the election really was close absolutely that means the incumbents have their work cut out for them to improve their votes next time.

Also as much as people don't like a sore loser I think a sore winner tells people even more about who you really are. Hopefully the winners show a little humility.

 

[cltrat]

Lol, Roabilly only wishes. Nobody is conceding anything. It is very close right now and wont be determined until July. Bottom line.  U4C is ahead, presently but not by much. Gives new meaning to "Too close to call".
 
 Regarding your comment, Cltrat, if myself and my team lost due to the extensive violations to the candidates and the members, this election will be rerun, set aside,  and we will need a 3rd DOL election.  It would be quite appalling to have to have a 3rd DOL supervised election since these guys have been in office.  But, in a twisted way, it would serve up all positions, even presidency in an all or one grab.

Tim I would like to see the whole voting procedure changed. In this day and age there is no reason computers should not be able to be used to vote.It would almost certainly increase participation which to me is a win for everyone.  

 

[freedom]

I'm against computer voting...there's way too much hacking in the world these days ..I like the good olé fashioned paper ballots.

 

[700UW]

The NMB uses phone or Internet voting for representation elections, and they have no problems.

 

[PHXConx]

I hope the negotiations committee is working through the weekend to get this out.. Lord knows the membership is. We deserve this out in a timely manner. I hope they don't think now is a time to rest... Because if they do someone needs to tell them what diligently means

 

[Tim Nelson]

I hope the negotiations committee is working through the weekend to get this out.. Lord knows the membership is. We deserve this out in a timely manner. I hope they don't think now is a time to rest... Because if they do someone needs to tell them what diligently means

The negotiation committee isn't involved in this from what I understand. They may be called on by the legal folks but I think the point man is FO for clarifications. I don't believe the TA will be ready to be shown to the members until either late next week or early the following week, and a ratification vote scheduled in mid to late July.  Prez may be right, in that a 90% ratification could happen.  The scope is suppose to be locked down [which is my #1] and I think that most consider the money to be fair. Toss in the fact that Prez said nothing else was compromised and the health care is exactly what it is now.
 
I'll believe it when I read it. Not busting the N/C but most of us have learned to distrust management.  Remember, AH and JG negotiated this as well,  so if it's fair, then that sorta takes the horns off of them as well, yes?  Nah, let's leave the horns on them, why not? lol

 

[Tim Nelson]

as far as any election update, if U4C is violated then I'm hopeful that the INTL will order a new election by September or the DOL will order one with all seats up for grabs later on. U4C was looking good but 141 rising has shifted some things, breaching laws, over the past couple weeks.  With the close election, and BUF being a predominately rising station,  BUF switched the polling place to the airport. That's how close this election is.  Can't do that.  Need at least 15 day notice under federal law for such notices.  I actually find this election fascinating, from a casework standpoint.  I have over 100 pages of casework already and in process of confirming.   Even in CLT, there were violations.  The S/T broke the bylaws and federal laws and didn't provide enough ballots. The local shut down for an extended time.  The INTL ruled that the local can print up new ballots [unofficial ones] and use those makeshift ones. Problem was that the ballots were also not secret. Folks had to write their names on the ballots since there was no room.  Then the ballots were tampered with as tellers took scissors to actually cut the names off of them.  Folks, you can make this stuff up. 
At any rate, we had observers everywhere and I'm sad to say that the blatant actions of the S/T Atkinson were extreme. Other things occurred in CLT that were strictly forbidden as well, like using the normal and customary grievance committee email list to send out an email blast to hundreds of members, without equal access by me as I asked for the same access prior to those email blast. Folks can't be using their normal and customary union briefings networks for political gain at the same time refusing other candidates equal access.  Bad things man, bad things. 
 
Hopefully, U4C wins, after all the violations and sabotaging and our union is spared another black eye from 141 rising.

 

[WeAAsles]

The negotiation committee isn't involved in this from what I understand. They may be called on by the legal folks but I think the point man is FO for clarifications. I don't believe the TA will be ready to be shown to the members until either late next week or early the following week, and a ratification vote scheduled in mid to late July.  Prez may be right, in that a 90% ratification could happen.  The scope is suppose to be locked down [which is my #1] and I think that most consider the money to be fair. Toss in the fact that Prez said nothing else was compromised and the health care is exactly what it is now.

Nice comment.
 
I'll believe it when I read it. Not busting the N/C but most of us have learned to distrust management.  Remember, AH and JG negotiated this as well,  so if it's fair, then that sorta takes the horns off of them as well, yes?  Nah, let's leave the horns on them, why not? lol

When the Merger was finalized by the Judge in April that's when the dynamics (finances and revenue outlook) changed.

It really was (Mostly) that simple.

 

[700UW]

I see someone is making accusations again since they are losing.