2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

FROM THE WEST.........Before we raise the money to file that DFR lawsuit, the movers and shakers who plan on putting it together ought to reread what our own Merger Attorney said about whether the NIC was binding on the company. Those quotes above could come back to haunt us.

 

[traderjake]

APA boys have seen all the videos from the west along with HornerMetro suing ALPA and the APA. They have had there fill of the west scabs.

 
We're lucky luvthe9 has his finger on the pulse of what the APA and senior West pilots are thinking. 

 

[luvthe9]

We're lucky we have luvthe9 to tell us what the APA and senior West pilots are thinking.

Finally something smart out of you, yes the west senior guys are upset about being shut down by the AFO club, they have lost so much and could hold wide body slots, as far as the APA have quite a few friends over there, several on a certain committee. PS where have your little playmates run off to.

 

[traderjake]

USAPAWATCH.COM: Earth to USAPA
 


In a not so surprising development, USAPA has once again agreed to extend the deadline for reaching a seniority protocol agreement with US Airways and the APA. Truth be told, the two surviving parties have long ago dismissed the relevance of USAPA but were willing to let the all east pilot staffed committee report their predicament to the BPR during this week's special meeting in Charlotte.

In their delay announcement, USAPA stated:

“It is important for you all to know that we will not be hurried or pressured into accepting an agreement that puts this pilot group at a disadvantage in either the Seniority List Integration negotiations or arbitration.”

Earth to USAPA - no one cares whether or not you accept the APA drafted agreement.

The APA knows that they will be certified as the bargaining agent within months. Late last week, US Airways management filed a brief with Judge Silver asking her to remove a footnote which will pave the way for the APA to appoint separate merger committees for the pre-merger US Airways pilots. In that filing, they submitted a copy of APA’s protocol proposal which clearly contemplates the APA administering the seniority integration process once certified by the NMB.

We’re not really sure what the east staffed committee will report to the BPR other than their options for avoiding the Nic are dwindling by the second. Of course, no one can be sure the west pilots will get their own seat at the table, but by reading the documents filed by management with Judge Silver and USAPA’s refusal to agree to the terms set forth by the APA, we can only deduce that a seat for the west is in the cards.

For years we’ve been talking about the unavoidability of the Nic. Although it appears it will not be ordered by a court, the Nic will be presented to the panel in the upcoming arbitration and it will be considered.

Just maybe, “the serious men doing serious business” at USAPA are starting to realize that their serious work has produced the Nic.

Posted by TheEye at 2/10/2014 5:20 PM |

 

[EastUS1]

 
We're lucky luvthe9 has his finger on the pulse of what the APA and senior West pilots are thinking. 

 
You may, "just maybe" take comfort in having chip tell you what to "think" instead, I suppose...? 😉
 
"TheEye was forwarded this statement from the west members of the USAPA Merger Committee. "
 
That supposed "source" posted at usapawatch.com even starts out with: "Fellow West Pilots"....Seriously jake? Words just fail me here.

 

[luvthe9]

 
"Fellow West Pilots"....Seriously jake? Words just fail me here.

He is desperate and has nothing else.

 

[Metroyet]

Well all the westicles seem to be in full retreat.

From what? A Dead Scab union? You've been fully neutralized. You're nothing but noise at this point. The West is a hell of a lot more organized that the "east" committee under the APA umbrella with a team of litigators as well as the very same RLA guy that delivered Nic. in the first place. Every arbitrator you're going to be in front of mentored under Nicolau and regard him with reverence. The West will walk each of them step by step through the Comedic, flailing terrorism the East has relentlessly dished out and make their case of the "new and improved" Nic award to blend the East and West. The West will then make a reaslistic, fair proposal for blending with the APA...and your  side will demand everyone be stapled below you right up to the very end...then you'll activate your LLC's voulenteer CIRP team, threaten the World, and disappear into total irrelevance.

 

[Claxon]

From what? A Dead Scab union? You've been fully neutralized. You're nothing but noise at this point. The West is a hell of a lot more organized that the "east" committee under the APA umbrella with a team of litigators as well as the very same RLA guy that delivered Nic. in the first place. Every arbitrator you're going to be in front of mentored under Nicolau and regard him with reverence. The West will walk each of them step by step through the Comedic, flailing terrorism the East has relentlessly dished out and make their case of the "new and improved" Nic award to blend the East and West. The West will then make a reaslistic, fair proposal for blending with the APA...and your  side will demand everyone be stapled below you right up to the very end...then you'll activate your LLC's voulenteer CIRP team, threaten the World, and disappear into total irrelevance.[/quote

Another poser who is or was a west pilot.
We have Kevin Horner, who is a former west merger committee member spouting, and pretending to be an outside party. Just like 767 Jetzz posing as a UAL pilot.
What does the APA think of you Kevin? I hear they would like to nail your carcass to a door.
Metroyet. Please pass this message to Kevin Horner when you see him in the mirror. Thank you.

 

[luvthe9]

From what? A Dead Scab union? You've been fully neutralized. You're nothing but noise at this point. The West is a hell of a lot more organized that the "east" committee under the APA umbrella with a team of litigators as well as the very same RLA guy that delivered Nic. in the first place. Every arbitrator you're going to be in front of mentored under Nicolau and regard him with reverence. The West will walk each of them step by step through the Comedic, flailing terrorism the East has relentlessly dished out and make their case of the "new and improved" Nic award to blend the East and West. The West will then make a reaslistic, fair proposal for blending with the APA...and your  side will demand everyone be stapled below you right up to the very end...then you'll activate your LLC's voulenteer CIRP team, threaten the World, and disappear into total irrelevance.

. ..........Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horners current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union. PS the only thing that has been "neutralized" is the NIC, sorry boy.

 

[Claxon]

Boundless integrity from the west pilots. Tony T Bone Anger. Christian. Kevin Horner and Mikey Stein. Posers.

 

[Claxon]

Kevin, being an American pilot, please answer the question: how many mergers involving AA pilots have gone to arbitration?
Or did you affirm your belief in the Nicolau Award sticking and return to america west?
I thought so...

 

[luvthe9]

Kevin, being an American pilot, please answer the question: how many mergers involving AA pilots have gone to arbitration?
Or did you affirm your belief in the Nicolau Award sticking and return to america west?
I thought so...

Kevin is quite clear on how all the APA boys want the NIC, guess he is not familiar with how the APA handled the TWA and AirCal, guys. His sense of entitlement is incredible

 

[Metroyet]

From what? A Dead Scab union? You've been fully neutralized. You're nothing but noise at this point. The West is a hell of a lot more organized that the "east" committee under the APA umbrella with a team of litigators as well as the very same RLA guy that delivered Nic. in the first place. Every arbitrator you're going to be in front of mentored under Nicolau and regard him with reverence. The West will walk each of them step by step through the Comedic, flailing terrorism the East has relentlessly dished out and make their case of the "new and improved" Nic award to blend the East and West. The West will then make a reaslistic, fair proposal for blending with the APA...and your  side will demand everyone be stapled below you right up to the very end...then you'll activate your LLC's voulenteer CIRP team, threaten the World, and disappear into total irrelevance.[/quote

Another poser who is or was a west pilot.
We have Kevin Horner, who is a former west merger committee member spouting, and pretending to be an outside party. Just like 767 Jetzz posing as a UAL pilot.
What does the APA think of you Kevin? I hear they would like to nail your carcass to a door.
Metroyet. Please pass this message to Kevin Horner when you see him in the mirror. Thank you.

Pathetic. Never been a West Pilot. Ever.

 

[Metroyet]

Kevin is quite clear on how all the APA boys want the NIC, guess he is not familiar with how the APA handled the TWA and AirCal, guys. His sense of entitlement is incredible

Firstly, it's off putting for a guy your age to keep referring to entire groups of men and women as "boys". Stop it. Secondly, the APA isn't going to have an ounce of impact upon whether or not the West argues for the Nic in front of the arbitration panel. They wouldn't dare....unlike a certain group of idiots that NEVER understood what a DFR was let alone how to pull one off. The APA never had a DFR to TWA or AirCal. Completely different scenario after ustupid is ejected as the former bargaining agent. Don't forget Silver put the company front and center into the fairness obligation circle as well. You'll get your rep. Don't worry. Maybe Cleary can get some platform shoes and look like the big tough guy in front of the panel he always envisioned himself as.

 

[Metroyet]

Kevin, being an American pilot, please answer the question: how many mergers involving AA pilots have gone to arbitration?
Or did you affirm your belief in the Nicolau Award sticking and return to america west?
I thought so...

Where's the twice extended protocol agreement? What's the hang up? Think you'll avoid arbitration if you idiots can't even agree to a protocol agreement inside of 3 months? This merger isn't waiting for you. Parker waited last time because you idiots collectively went to your families ATM and withdrew a billion dollars and handed it to him. Different priorities now. You're being steam rolled as we speak.