2014 Pilot Discussion

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Yes, sky nazi news is the only news! ;-)

I thought about how that sounds after I posted it. Naieve. I guess what I meant by that is the APA will likely 'torture' their facts as to what transpired less than another unnamed, soon to be former, bargaining agent.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Who knows, maybe the two unions will put out a joint update.

 

[Pi brat]

I thought about how that sounds after I posted it. Naieve. I guess what I meant by that is the APA will likely 'torture' their facts as to what transpired less than another unnamed, soon to be former, bargaining agent.

I'm just skeptical of them all.

 

[dca319]

We'll see. Of course your crystal ball has been so finely tuned through out all of this, I should just listen to you.

Better than listening to USAPA. One day past the deadline and not a peep. USAPA must be holding its ground!! LMAO!!

 

[dca319]

I thought about how that sounds after I posted it. Naieve. I guess what I meant by that is the APA will likely 'torture' their facts as to what transpired less than another unnamed, soon to be former, bargaining agent.

They have no reason to torture their facts.

 

[nevergiveup]

Business Select is coming back!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

 
Arbitration is set up to be respected process, what the east has done to this process as well as denigrating and slandering one of the most respected arbitrators is about to come back and haunt them.  This will be fun to watch.

 http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-17/sports/sp-35999_1_major-league

 

[snapthis]

Impasse

Posted by TheEye at 2/19/2014 1:25 PM
Categories: uncategorized
Over ten days ago the USAPA Merger Committee (staffed exclusively with east pilots) sent out an update that they were extending the period to reach a protocol agreement to February 18th. Of course that date has come and gone without even a whisper from USAPA on the status of the agreement.

TheEye is happy to report that an impasse has been reached and the deadline has come and gone without an agreement.

Why are we happy?

Simple: In USAPA’s fantasy world, the union and its east staffed merger committee would retain control of the seniority integration process even though Judge Silver clearly ruled that USAPA’s participation in the seniority integration would cease immediately once the APA became the bargaining agent. Clearly, both US Airways and the APA have no intention of allowing something to exist that is diametrically opposed to a federal court’s interpretation of the MOU and McCaskill-Bond.

As was expected by all parties involved, USAPA overreached and now they are left with nothing.

Why nothing?

Simple: Time

USAPA does have the right arbitrate this impasse. The problem for USAPA is time. The APA’s petition for single carrier status will probably be approved within weeks, not months. It would probably take 2-3 months to hold an arbitration and receive a decision on the protocol agreement. By the time a decision is rendered, USAPA would no longer be the bargaining agent for the former US Airways pilots.

We are happy because we’re confident that the APA and US Airways management will offer a fair process once USAPA is out of the picture. This is good news for all pilots of the New American.

There will be a fair process and an SLI created by an independent arbitration panel. This time, no matter how much the east pilots whine, the list will be immediately activated.

On that note, we heard that the west pilots retained Jeff Freund to arbitrate their case. The America West, Delta, and United pilots have been very satisfied with his track record. In fact, most RLA experts consider him to be the best.

 

[Pi brat]

Over ten days ago the USAPA Merger Committee (staffed exclusively with east pilots)

They left out "because the west members resigned." This sounds like it was written junior319. Or maybe USA320. May, perhaps,........

 

[Pi brat]

Boy, I wonder who has been saying that exact same thing over the past few days?

I gave you credit junior, sounds just like you.

 

[dca319]

They left out "because the west members resigned." This sounds like it was written junior319. Or maybe USA320. May, perhaps,........

How about you get your head out of your ass Tony and start asking your union what the hell is going on. I've called and emailed numerous times and the MC will not answer any of my questions. Why don't you give it a try?

 

[dca319]

I gave you credit junior, sounds just like you.

Hate to disappoint you Sherlock, but it wasn't me. But with the events unfolding as they are, the outcome is quite obvious to those of us paying attention.

 

[Pi brat]

Hate to disappoint you Sherlock, but it wasn't me. But with the events unfolding as they are, the outcome is quite obvious to those of us paying attention.

I sound it sounds just like you genius.
 
Obvious huh? Like all the "obvious" events over the last 7 years? How about this. Lay out your vision of future events. I'll make note and if you get any of them correct, I'll admit it to you. If not, you admit that you are lying about who you are. Deal?

 

[nycbusdriver]

APA is making moves, as well as the company, to assure a west seat at the table. That's quite obvious. Negotiations are at an impasse which means they're over. Neither side is going to give and time belongs to the APA. All that's left is the NMB and, per Silver, USAPA is separated from SLI and decertified. APA takes over and appoints west (who introduces Nicolau) and east reps of their choosing.

This is how it's going to happen. There will be no protocol agreement. USAPA is being slow-rolled. Freund sees it coming and parted with USAPA and is now retained by the west.

Not looking good for USAPA.

 
Good.  I can live with the status quo of the MOU for quite a while.  Separate ops FOREVER!
 
If APA and/or the company try a run around M-B, it will only end up in the federal courts again and take years to resolve.  USAPA might just become a well-funded LCC to maintain the fight.  We will miss the westhole dues, but we won't miss a beat.  
 
Parker can then go down in history as the guy who could not consummate two mergers of major carriers.  What a legacy for him as an airline leader!   Even David Siegle will be jealous!

 

[traderjake]

Parker can then go down in history as the guy who could not consummate two mergers of major carriers.

 
I'm sure Parker's shaking in his boots, he's played USAPA perfectly (LOA 93) for 5 years.