2014 Pilot Discussion

[Freighterguynow]

Poor Spartans, their imaginary APA friends won't be playing anymore.

 

[Phoenix]

Damn. You guys suddenly forgot how to read. The APA has flat out told you how this is going to go down. Believe it or don't.

You seem persuaded that the West will participate in MB arbitration. Answer me this...

No arbitration can start, much less finish, apart from the arbitrating parties submitting themselves to the terms or arbitration. And by the way, the arbitrator submits to the terms as well....

Q1: The terms of MB arbitration are stipulated by Statute. If a party to the arbitration desires to stipulate terms other than the statute, what would be required to do so?
Q2: Or in the alternative, if a party to the arbitration preferred to limit the terms of arbitration to the Statute without modification what would be required?

Hint: A1: A supplemental agreement between all parties.
         A2: Nothing.

Which is easier?

 

[fifidriver]

I think that is what is meant by "hoist with his own petard"...   or petar'... for our little "spamlet", EastLUSH...  strap on!, and KTGSD!

 

[Phoenix]

"In addition, the former America West pilots are not entitled to participate in the upcoming statutory procedure required for the integration of the US Airways and American Airline pilots."
 
"Under that statute, the West Pilots are not entitled to participate."

 

[Claxon]

Former alpa president and continental pilot, now united pilot john prater, former alpa vice president now united pilot paul rice.
 
Hey "union brothers", nice try scab lovers, your deeds will not be forgotten.

 

[Claxon]

Trivia question.  What airline presently has the most former scab pilots working for it?  No it is not america west airlines, but you are very close.

 

[Metroyet]

You seem persuaded that the West will participate in MB arbitration. Answer me this...
No arbitration can start, much less finish, apart from the arbitrating parties submitting themselves to the terms or arbitration. And by the way, the arbitrator submits to the terms as well....
Q1: The terms of MB arbitration are stipulated by Statute. If a party to the arbitration desires to stipulate terms other than the statute, what would be required to do so?
Q2: Or in the alternative, if a party to the arbitration preferred to limit the terms of arbitration to the Statute without modification what would be required?
Hint: A1: A supplemental agreement between all parties.
         A2: Nothing.
Which is easier?

The easier thing is to completely remove the opposing party. Don't think it's legal? Sue. Best of luck getting it done before the APA takes over and completely obliterates your fake union out of existence. The day the USAPA/ALPA vote came down, ALPA was there to confiscate all of their computers and property from AMW. You really don't understand that the tables have turned do you? Want a front row seat at being a minority in a hostile union environment? Enjoy. You EARNED every bit of this. The only ones that don't understand that USAPA is already dead is USAPA...as per normal, they operate in a fantasy universe whereby they are "in charge"...LOL!!!!!

 

[Metroyet]

"In addition, the [/size]former America West pilots are not entitled to participate in the upcoming statutory [/size]procedure required for the integration of the US Airways and American Airline pilots."[/size]
 
"Under that statute, the West Pilots are not entitled to participate."[/size]

Entitled does not mean barred. Especially if the union that owes them a DFR wants them at the table. There are no laws dictating how a union goes about its business...remember hypocrite? You've been neutralized, marginalized, and left an entirely pointless organization. Pay attention. This will be happening fast.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
MB is law.  It was passed to prevent one union from using its majority to impose a process that disadvantages a smaller union.  Too bad you guys didn't appeal to use MB before ALPA was tossed.  Too late now.  
 
Unfortunately for you, MB doesn't create or eliminate the union reps that exist during SLI negotiations.  

 
There are a few things wrong with your suggestion that they should have appealed to use MB.
 
MB didn't become law until 7 months after Nicolau made his abomination.  
 
MB specifically says that in a merger between two groups represented by the same union, that union's merger policy will be used.

 

[prechilill]

Not to worry.  The lawyers at the NMB will set the APA straight.  I seriously doubt that the M/B process was envisioned to include letting one side select the representatives for both groups.  APA doesn't get to choose it's opponents.

Now here's an emotional post we can revisit in a month or two. 😀

 

[prechilill]

The easier thing is to completely remove the opposing party. Don't think it's legal? Sue. Best of luck getting it done before the APA takes over and completely obliterates your fake union out of existence. The day the USAPA/ALPA vote came down, ALPA was there to confiscate all of their computers and property from AMW. You really don't understand that the tables have turned do you? Want a front row seat at being a minority in a hostile union environment? Enjoy. You EARNED every bit of this. The only ones that don't understand that USAPA is already dead is USAPA...as per normal, they operate in a fantasy universe whereby they are "in charge"...LOL!!!!!

I think Usapa has about six weeks left until that animal is laid to rest.

Is Jamie's wood box going to be buried of cremated?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Now here's an emotional post we can revisit in a month or two. 😀

 
It can indeed be very entertaining, as we have already seen with all your countdown clock predictions.  You already hold the track record for emotional posts that have gone tits up (sorry if you find that sexist.)
 
But we have to wait and see if Bill Brasky's post comes true, or not, emotions be damned.  He, of course, does not have your expertise in emotional predictions that are laughable and historically proveable to be hysterically incorrect..

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think Usapa has about six weeks left until that animal is laid to rest.

Is Jamie's wood box going to be buried of cremated?

 
Yay!  Another countdown clock from Pre.  Can't wait to see this one deep sixed as every other one of your predictions has been.
 
Prechil's prediction:  April 4, 2014, USAPA will be history.  Can't wait for the timer to ring it's bell and we can all have another belly laugh at your expense.  Who's bringing the popcorn?

 

[dca319]

Protocol negotiations have failed, USAPA being marginalized, west pairings going mixed metal in May, AA pilots assigned as CP's to east domiciles, VP level positions go AA, and USAPA still has an injunction hanging over them....

....I wonder what the company and the APA has in store for USAPA.

I really wish they were a bit more obvious as to their intentions.

 

[dca319]

Yay!  Another countdown clock from Pre.  Can't wait to see this one deep sixed as every other one of your predictions has been.
 
Prechil's prediction:  April 4, 2014, USAPA will be history.  Can't wait for the timer to ring it's bell and we can all have another belly laugh at your expense.  Who's bringing the popcorn?

I think we can all safely say the USAPA will be gone sooner rather than later. More than likely by summer but USAPA won't see the fall.