2014 Pilot Discussion

[AAviator]

just curiosity, if your fairly new we can cut you some slack.

Left seat.  And a believer in when I ink a deal, I accept what the final outcome is.
 
Claxon is on my ignore list, but I clicked to see what he said (note to self, don't do it again) and saw his DOH methodology and mind set.  To answer him which I am loath to do, if that 84 hire at AWA is able to currently hold 777 at his current job, then why should I care if he's of similar seniority at the combined company?  What does 84, 74 or 1924 have to do with it?

 

[AAviator]

What happened with the Piedmont/Empire SLI?

 

[Phoenix]

I am keeping up.  You may have forgotten, but about 6 months ago I said this SLI was headed to arbitration, and you said it wasn't.  Want to retract that statement?
 
I'm referring to when APA becomes the bargaining agent.  And the nonexistent USAPA claims something other than the NIC is the legitimate list.
 
Should be interesting..  
 
I really didn't care that the easties cost themselves hundreds of millions of dollars due to their sheer stupidity, but looking forward, I can see how they'll try to do that to the combined pilot group as well.

Name one document that affirms the Nic. Just one. No implicit assumptions allowed in the world of contracts. Name just one document.....

 

[AAviator]

It's funny watching you guys.  Nobody really knows what you want.  You just sue all the time and cling to DOH.

 

[Claxon]

Left seat.  And a believer in when I ink a deal, I accept what the final outcome is.
 
Claxon is on my ignore list, but I clicked to see what he said (note to self, don't do it again) and saw his DOH methodology and mind set.  To answer him which I am loath to do, if that 84 hire at AWA is able to currently hold 777 at his current job, then why should I care if he's of similar seniority at the combined company?  What does 84, 74 or 1924 have to do with it?

Ignore at your own peril.
Just like you are about to ignore Crandall
You honestly deserve what you get.
And by the way, those TWA folks had a deal with your company which you broke.
Congratulations APA. Pilots. You spawned the B Scale and McCaskill Bond

 

[Claxon]

It's funny watching you guys.  Nobody really knows what you want.  You just sue all the time and cling to DOH.

And you show up at the merger table with a Hilti Gun for a staple job. Air Cal, Reno, TWA.
Not this time.
APA pilot heritage. B Scale and McCaskill Bond.

 

[AAviator]

Name one document that affirms the Nic. Just one. No implicit assumptions allowed in the world of contracts. Name just one document.....

Did both parties agree to binding arbitration?  Are we talking chicken or egg here?  Is a chicken an adult embryo?  Is a document required to affirm an agreement to enter binding arbitration?  Is a document required to affirm an agreement thats already been documented as being affirmed to?
 
IF, to use your words now, "No implicit assumptions allowed in the world of contracts"  How do you define where you are?  

 

[Phoenix]

I don't see anyone resembling management filing law suits right now.  Do you?

Lawsuits don't divide people... Lawsuits exist because people ARE divided. The APA is sided with management.

So far it has paid well.

 

[Claxon]

It's funny watching you guys.  Nobody really knows what you want.  You just sue all the time and cling to DOH.

Get your facts correct. Who filed Addington One and Two?

 

[Phoenix]

Did both parties agree to binding arbitration?  Are we talking chicken or egg here?  Is a chicken an adult embryo?  Is a document required to affirm an agreement to enter binding arbitration?  Is a document required to affirm an agreement thats already been documented as being affirmed to?
 
IF, to use your words now, "No implicit assumptions allowed in the world of contracts"  How do you define where you are?  

Just one document. Just one.

Should be easy for you.

 

[Claxon]

Did both parties agree to binding arbitration?  Are we talking chicken or egg here?  Is a chicken an adult embryo?  Is a document required to affirm an agreement to enter binding arbitration?  Is a document required to affirm an agreement thats already been documented as being affirmed to?
 
IF, to use your words now, "No implicit assumptions allowed in the world of contracts"  How do you define where you are?  

West pilots warned at WYE RIVER, they had a chance to compromise at the behest of ALPA.
ALPA refused. East pilots left ALPA as did yours. Freedom.

 

[Claxon]

West pilots warned at WYE RIVER, they had a chance to compromise at the behest of ALPA.
ALPA refused. East pilots left ALPA as did yours
You had a contract as ALPA Pilots. You broke yours as well. . Freedom.

 

[AAviator]

Just one document. Just one.

Should be easy for you.

Who said anything about affirming the NIC?
 
I'll help you out here..
 
What is the NIC?
 
LUVthe9,
USAPA sued APA because they want postmortem relevance.  The Judge, and the MOU said otherwise

 

[Claxon]

Who said anything about affirming the NIC?
 
I'll help you out here..
 
What is the NIC?
 
LUVthe9,
USAPA sued APA because they want postmortem relevance.  The Judge, and the MOU said otherwise

USAPA is not going to sign off on APA conducting their seniority negotiations.
You have a bad history. Let the NMB decide. Not the pilots on the McCaskill Bond milk cartons.

 

[Res Judicata]

Who said anything about affirming the NIC?
 
I'll help you out here..
 
What is the NIC?
 
LUVthe9,
USAPA sued APA because they want postmortem relevance.  The Judge, and the MOU said otherwise

See the lunacy the West has been forced to endure? If these idiots had it their way, everyone would suffer under the industry's lowest pay for their entire careers until someone tells them how wonderful and valuable they are. You are just now getting a gimpse at the totality of their insanity. They're just getting spooled up, watch what happens after the NMB kills off their fake union.

They're desperately trying to convince the APA that arbitration would be devastating to the APA when reality they're scared to death of what it will do to them. They're the only ones that think the Nic never happened. It did, it's valid, and they know that they could easily find the Nic modified to reflect the last 8 years of economic terrorism/suicide they forced upon their "membership" in their illegal, fruitless quest for a combined DOH contract. Who else is even remotely concerned about binding arbitration but the minority EASTHOLES?

That tells you everything you need to know.