2014 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

None taken...

The 3-month new hire did not have 17-year FO's waiting to upgrade in front of him, rather 5 to 6-years. If that 3-month new-hire was told he'd be behind a bunch of furloughs of an acquired airline, he might have chosen to be a new hire somewhere else.

Liberty Ties represent the unity which helped us frustrate the objectives of the tyranny of the misguided.

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Is that really the tie? That's awful.

 

[EastUS1]

No.  It's a war. .............................. We on the west take ourselves very seriously, ................

 
"It's a war" Seriously? You've obviously never been in one. So how many of "you'se" have been killed in this supposed "war"? Grow up already. It's fully noted that you take yourselves very seriously. Far too seriously in my estimation. That's your problem. Don't be surprised if others of us necessarily, just laugh. 😉
 
Per your: "Too bad we are bogged down in legal quicksand because if it came to true battle as you describe this much stronger and smarter group would have wiped the earth clean of you long ago." All I can say is my oh my!...What truly ferocious tykes "you'se" fantasize yourselves to be! I can only wonder what possible basis exists for that. Hmm...This whole "spartan" fantasy must've gone to your heads in earnest. A good suggestion for yourself and all of us human beings is to never fully believe our own BS, just sayin'. No matter, just come back and tell us all about "true battle" the very moment after you've ever had an enemy fire lethal ordnance in your direction. It's a real learning experience. Thanks for the usual chuckles, mighty "spartan". 🙂
 
I'll repeat here: You'se" kids really need to just grow up and get over yourselves. The world just isn't Fantasyland.

 

[EastUS1]

This is headed to arbitration and any belief otherwise is a pipe dream.

 
If you're really an APA member, then I must note some honest surprise at such a stupid move on your peoples' part. Oh well....

 

[snapthis]

Is that really the tie? That's awful.

What? Too much color? It looks more patriotic than a flag logo which should go on a can of bug spray.

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[EastUS1]

 It looks more patriotic...

 
Goody. Does buying one actually make anyone such? Don't you think it's a bit much to assume that all of America supports trying to place a 3 month new hire as "senior" to people who've worked 16-17 years more? Seriously; there's average arrogance, and then there's a level requiring a response of you've just GOT to be kidding! I dare not say more, lest such as Ames then engage me in "true battle" and "wipe the earth clean" of me!...Gulp! 😉

 

[snapthis]

Goody. Does buying one actually make anyone such? Don't you think it's a bit much to assume that all of America supports trying to place a 3 month new hire as "senior" to people who've worked 16-17 years more? Seriously; there's average arrogance, and then there's a level requiring a response of you've just GOT to be kidding! I dare not say more, lest such as Ames engage me in "true battle" and "wipe the earth clean" of me!...Gulp! 😉

I think George Nicolau heard that argument.

How did he rule?

Yes, seriously.

 

[EastUS1]

I think George Nicolau heard that argument.

How did he rule?

Yes, seriously.

 
What exactly does any one man have to do with all of America supposedly supporting your noble cause? 😉

 

[traderjake]

By bad memory you mean for the west, you will get screwed in arbitration and lose quite a few wide body jobs which could have been protected for years, oh we'll roll the dice and bring it on boy!!!!

 
Put us at the top of the list with DOH and we promise we won't try to steal your jobs.

 

[Pi brat]

What? Too much color? It looks more patriotic than a flag logo which should go on a can of bug spray.

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Josh got it right...

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In general I've never liked the flag as a garment or accessory, but that thing is just way too much.

 

[nycbusdriver]

In general I've never liked the flag as a garment or accessory, but that thing is just way too much.

 
Yeah, that thing is a bit overblown.  How could they not fit in the Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, and a few bald eagles (especially a few baby ones), as well as a battery operated sound system playing the "Star Spangled Banner" and "America the Beautiful" in an endless loop?
 
Then.....and only then....could one argue that it represents enough liberty to offset the massive repression of USAPA.
 
(oh....and Mount Rushmore, too!)

 

[AAviator]

 
AA, I don't think you understand how the arbitration that produced the Nic list was structured and why it is no longer valid. Let me try to explain it in another way. Follow me for a minute and tell me what you think in a hypothetical scenario.
 
Lets take the combination of AA and TWA. I'm gonna make-up a scenario that has similar circumstances. While this is not the way it went down, let's assume for this scenario that it did happen this way. Although the TWA pilots were not COMPLETELY stapled, I think it's close enough for everyone to realize they lost a LOT in the SLI with AA.
 
Let's say the AA-TWA SLI went to an arbitrator. The arbitrator ruled that the TWA pilots would get one of two things. 1. They would get straight DOH in the SLI provided TWA, within one year, could emerge from BK and show a profit, proving they were a viable business. If after that one year, they could NOT meet that requirement, they would 2, be stapled to the AA list.
 
So after one year goes by, TWA could NOT meet that requirement as set forth in the arbitration decision by exiting BK and showing a profit. Thus they would get the staple job (option 2) under the arbitration.
 
Would you argue that they should get straight DOH anyway, even though they did NOT meet the conditions of the arbitration that would allow them to have option 1? I mean if the arbitration decision had a specific condition that must be met in order to be implemented, but it wasn't met, do you think the APA would just give it to them anyway just to be nice? I'd be interested in your thoughts on this...

aglflyer, here's what you said (above post).  post 5497.
 
Now..  You say that there was a fork in the road with financial performance bench marks that were part of the NIC.
 
Show them to me.  It's that simple.
 
Next, you say there was never a joint contract, so the NIC was never implemented.  Stevie Wonder can see this.  I "get" this.  however, you said that since there wasn't a joint contract, it makes the NIC "Null and Void"  (your words).
 
Show me the document that says its null and void.  Specifically, that it no longer exists.
 
You see the problem you have here, and why USAPA is scrambling to maintain some form of control into perpetuity is that as soon as APA becomes the bargaining agent, they have a DFR obligation to the west pilots (who can produce the NIC) unless of course you can produce the legal determination that the NIC ceases to exist.
 
 
 
Well?
 
Produce.
 
You've failed to produce on the post I've quoted you on, and I suspect you'll fail to produce the "Null and Void" language as well.  I realize, and I've stated this is the internet and you can say whatever you want wether true or not.  Just say "yea, I (aglflyr) lied" and we're all good.
 
luvthe9, I'm still waiting for your response(s) too.

 

[AAviator]

By bad memory you mean for the west, you will get screwed in arbitration and lose quite a few wide body jobs which could have been protected for years, oh we'll roll the dice and bring it on boy!!!!

Are you ever going to responded to my questions or just fling poo like EastUS1, Bill Brasky and Claxon?

 

[EastUS1]

 
Yeah, that thing is a bit overblown.  How could they not fit in the Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, and a few bald eagles (especially a few baby ones), as well as a battery operated sound system playing the "Star Spangled Banner" and "America the Beautiful" in an endless loop?
 
Then.....and only then....could one argue that it represents enough liberty to offset the massive repression of USAPA.
 
(oh....and Mount Rushmore, too!)

 
LOL...Agreed, and yeah; Mt. Rushmore should definitely be included. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Are you ever going to reposed to my questions or just fling poo like EastUS1, Bill Brasky and Claxon?

 
How flattering! And here you had said I was on your ignore list. Whoever "you'se" are, ya' might try to at least keep your central story line straight. 😉

 

[snapthis]

In general I've never liked the flag as a garment or accessory, but that thing is just way too much.

I do not like the piano key paint job on the new AA but it's an improvement over the drab flag.

I see there are some suggestions of Mt Rushmore ties.

Heck, Usapians could come up with a Stone Mountain tie in honor of the rebels who still want to hang onto the legacy of a failed cause.

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