2014 Pilot Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

 
In a category and status SLI the E190 Captain "positions" should be senior to the WB F/O "positions".

 
Interesting, but realistically unworkable.  Show us how that would look, if you ruled the SLI world!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Is Bloch on the list?

 

[GuntherA320]

Is Bloch on the list?

Nope. Here's the list:

Gilbert Vernon
Richard Kasher
Dana Eischen
David Vaughn
James E. Conway
Charlotte Gold
Arnold Zack

 

[Zone5]

Is that the same Kasher as in "Kasher will pay"?
 
You might want to strike  him off the list, as well as anyone who did the United Continental, Delta Nothwest, or Frontier Republic arbitrations.

The United Contential board would do. At least they understand the significance of relative LOS!


seajay

 

[luvthe9]

"It's Our Char-lotte Gold, after all. It's our Char-lotte Gold after all. It's our Char, Char-lotte Gold"
Sing it. Over and over.

Come on now let the minion ramble on, he has nothing else.

 

[luvthe9]

It looks like APA and AAL are LOSING CONTROL OF THE PROCESS!  USAPA is dead all right!
 
Lawsuit in DCA continues unabated.
 
How's that working out for YOUR crystal ball Chip???

Now that is going to upset Traitor!!

 

[traderjake]

Mark this post:
 
This is going to arbitration and there will be a West MC.
 
Your fear of a fair and enforcable arbitration is noted.

 

[Phoenix]

How come Marty is not on the NMB mailing list, or the mailing list for the DC court?

What's a first class stamp cost now days? Evidently more than the cost of personal wishes and imaginations. 🙁

 

[end_of_alpa]

Mark this post:
 
This is going to arbitration and there will be a West MC.
 
Your fear of a fair and enforcable arbitration is noted.

Of course it's going to arbitration.  The question is whether it will be one or three arbitrators.
 
There is NO question that the West will play NO PART.
 
Your fear of being wrong is noted.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Mark this post:
 
This is going to arbitration and there will be a West MC.
 .

No Duh Sherlock, we all know it's going to arbitration - among the parties to the MOU.

Nor will it be the equipment and status you keep proclaiming. Though a factor, it will be far more complicated than that.

 

[USA320Pilot]

It occurred to me today after discussing the pilot's situation with a colleague I respect that I continue to address the same prevalent mentality that is so pervasive with naysayers and the Jones' Cult that will follow the most outspoken to their graves. IMHO, the UELs (and people who support the UELs) who believe they have been harmed in previous ISL proceedings are why I believe the US Airways pilots are in this money and seniority losing situation. They cannot differentiate between sound reasoning and radical positions.

In my opinion, this group has made so many costly stupid errors in the past 11 years the hole the US Airways pilots are in, especially for the short timers, is unrecoverable.

My point is, those pilots who might have a different opinion but also are reasonable, will listen to those with the right information; while others, as we've seen so many times past, take a hardline stand and fail to accept what is right, even if it results in personal financial and quality of life pain. 

In my opinion, the US Airways pilots as a whole are doomed for failure on every aspect of moving forward. The Company is an enemy, as are our brothers and sisters out West. Moreover, we (they) have now alienated APA, and probably the courts as they (USAPA) continue to show a lack of integrity or credibility. Why would you shake the hand/s of an individual or committee member knowing full well that past actions deem them untrustworthy? Therein lies the crux of the pilot’s problem.

I believe Gary Hummel seems to be stuck in the flow of the BPR's continuous track record for making bad decisions because of their career disappointment -- deepening the potential for failure. It seems like he's caught by default as the messenger with no power to effect positive change. It’s truly a sad situation…

 

[Black Swan]

Mark this post:
 
This is going to arbitration and there will be a West MC.
 
Your fear of a fair and enforcable arbitration is noted.

There is not going to be any West representation other than the one provided by USAPA.
That, is fact.

 

[Black Swan]

How come Marty is not on the NMB mailing list, or the mailing list for the DC court?
What's a first class stamp cost now days? Evidently more than the cost of personal wishes and imaginations. 🙁

That is the most telling event of all. Trader thinks there will be a West merger committee, and the NMB forgot to notify their legal entity. How telling.

 

[Res Judicata]

That is the most telling event of all. Trader thinks there will be a West merger committee, and the NMB forgot to notify their legal entity. How telling.

The "legal entity" is the APA. They've made it clear that they intend to fairly represent all pilots. Something you idiotic scabs never figured out. The West will represent themselves in all seniority matters. The opinions of a scab run former bargaining agent aren't worth the time to comment.

 

[end_of_alpa]

It occurred to me today after discussing the pilot's situation with a colleague I respect that I continue to address the same prevalent mentality that is so pervasive with naysayers and the Jones' Cult that will follow the most outspoken to their graves. IMHO, the UELs (and people who support the UELs) who believe they have been harmed in previous ISL proceedings are why I believe the US Airways pilots are in this money and seniority losing situation. They cannot differentiate between sound reasoning and radical positions.[/size]In my opinion, this group has made so many costly stupid errors in the past 11 years the hole the US Airways pilots are in, especially for the short timers, is unrecoverable.[/size]My point is, those pilots who might have a different opinion but also are reasonable, will listen to those with the right information; while others, as we've seen so many times past, take a hardline stand and fail to accept what is right, even if it results in personal financial and quality of life pain. [/size]In my opinion, the US Airways pilots as a whole are doomed for failure on every aspect of moving forward. The Company is an enemy, as are our brothers and sisters out West. Moreover, we (they) have now alienated APA, and probably the courts as they (USAPA) continue to show a lack of integrity or credibility. Why would you shake the hand/s of an individual or committee member knowing full well that past actions deem them untrustworthy? Therein lies the crux of the pilots problem.[/size]I believe Gary Hummel seems to be stuck in the flow of the BPR's continuous track record for making bad decisions because of their career disappointment -- deepening the potential for failure. It seems like he's caught by default as the messenger with no power to effect positive change. Its truly a sad situation[/size]

Chip is truly a "sad situation".