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Beancounter said:
Suing for DFR, because a yet to be integrated group is given fair representation in an arbitration? Well, best of luck with that. On the bright side, you won't be paying the industry's highest union dues while funding the suit out of pocket.

Bean
 
CAUSES OF ACTION
I. Claim One: Breach of the Duty of Fair Representation
 

...... judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I

 
II. Claim Two: Breach of Transition Agreement by US Airways
 
..... judgment in favor of US Airways, Inc. on Count II
 
III. Claim Three: Attorneys’ Fees
 

..... judgment of dismissal without prejudice on Count III
 

IV. Prayer for Relief
 

...... judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count IV
 
Hey, how did that "meet and greet" with Freund go in February???  Also, did Chip show up since you Westicles absolutely adore him and listen to every piece of tripe he spews forth to justify his "beliefs" to support your failed cause of tilting at windmills?
 
Beancounter said:
Suing for DFR, because a yet to be integrated group is given fair representation in an arbitration? Well, best of luck with that. On the bright side, you won't be paying the industry's highest union dues while funding the suit out of pocket.
Bean
The West alleged that their current representation is unfair, and sued to have a court establish a new representation that would remedy the alleged unfairness. The court concluded the West has fair representation.

Despite everything, you appear to implicitly assume someone else will give you what the court declared you have no right to. There is no end of special groups that would happily demand the same implicit gift from whoever has the courage to distribute them!!
 
end_of_alpa said:
You mean, like the AOL legal "dream team" has the upper hand to "consider" anything.
Mark Doyal is a lawyer who got his legal degree, if he really has one, from a Cracker Jack box. He wouldn't know judicial estoppel from tarot card readings.
I'm not sure why all the added Chip postings of late unless it is simply to give comfort to those in the West that truly NO LONGER HAD ANY LEGAL SAY IN ANY COURT.
What is really sad is the West doesn't suffer in silence....they cry like little babies and hide behind the skirts of Munn and Doyal. A slow, PAINFUL DEATH!
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Note: this statement originally appeared on StopPolygraph.com.

Polygraph Statement of Mr. Mark C. Doyal

I had always wanted to be an FBI agent. With that singular goal in mind, I enrolled in Southwest Texas State University in the fall of 1988. My major was Law Enforcement with a minor in Economics. I graduated in December 1990 and I took the written FBI exam that next January. I passed and was scheduled for an interview in March of 1991. The interview went great and I achieved a perfect score. However, the FBI determined that I needed more experience and informed me to re-apply in two years. I immediately took the Law School Admissions Test and applied to South Texas College of Law in Houston, Texas. I was excepted for the class beginning in January 1991. I was fortunate in that I was able to obtain employment on a full time basis with the Harris County District Attorney's Office - Economic Crime Division. I remember my new boss asking me after he interviewed me what I planned on achieving with a law career. I immediately responded that I wanted a career with the FBI. Everyone who I met knew that that was my goal.

Working full time for the District Attorney while attending law school at night was tough, but I knew I had to get the right kind of experience and education to make myself the best possible candidate for the FBI. Upon graduation from law school (Dec. 1994), I re-applied with the FBI. I was scheduled to take the written exam on a Monday following the Bar exam. I again passed the written exam and had to wait to be selected for the interview. I wrote letters nearly every month to the applicant coordinator asking to be interviewed and explaining what I was doing each month. Finally, I was selected to be interviewed in Kansas City in July of 1996. Seven of us in our region were selected to go, but only two of us passed the interview process. Myself and another girl. I was on top of the world, knowing that I was about to realize my dream.

The polygraph exam was next, August 7, 1996, in San Antonio, Texas. I knew I had nothing to worry about, since I had never violated the FBI's drug policy and I had not lied on my application. The agent administering the polygraph noted during the pre- polygraph interview that I had attended a university that he believed was a "party school" and that I needed to tell him what drugs I used when I went there. I stated that I had taken none, that I didn't live on campus, I lived in another city, and that I was an older student and wasn't influenced to do such things. He repeated that that couldnít be the case and told me again to tell him what illegal drugs I had done. I countered again that that just wasn't the case and that I was telling the truth. This went back and forth for about 10 minutes and he seemed to be getting upset that I wouldnít admit to taking drugs. Finally he stated that if I was lying he was about to find out. I was upset at the unbelievable accusations he was making. Up until that point I had been treated with the utmost professionalism by the FBI staff, now I was being treated like an accused criminal. After the polygraph was over, he told me I had failed. I almost passed out in disbelief

I wrote several letters to FBI Director Freeh, and in October of 1996 I was polygraphed again, by another agent with the first agent who polygraphed me present. The results were the same, he told me I had failed. I just could not believe it. I had not lied on the polygraph. Even the first agent that had polygraphed me told me as I was leaving that he now believed me, that I was telling the truth. I wrote the Director several more times to no avail, my application was terminated in November of that year. My dreams were shattered.

Finally, as a side note, I later applied with the Secret Service. I did just as well in the testing and interview stages as I had with the FBI. When it came time for the polygraph, the agent administering it asked me if I had been polygraphed before. I told him yes, and under what circumstances and the results. He thanked me for my honesty, unhooked me from the polygraph without testing me and told me that he would have to contact his superiors for their advice. I could not believe it. Two months later I received a form letter stating that I was no longer competitive with the other agent applicants. I am a licensed attorney, professional pilot, have law enforcement experience and with top scores but I was not competitive? Obviously I had been "black balled" by the erroneous polygraph results from the FBI.

I will probably always be effected by the injustice of what happened. I wrote a final letter to Director Freeh this summer asking for another polygraph. I even offered to pay all expenses associated with retaking it if I were to fail. I guess I still haven't accepted that you can fail a polygraph while telling the truth. Or the fact that the FBI could make this kind of mistake. I had always looked up to that agency as the pinnacle of professionalism. I received the same form letter back that I had received almost two years earlier. It is a shame, since all I wanted to do was to have a chance to serve my country and make my family proud.



Sincerely,



Mark C. Doyal



Munn and Doyal, a real dream team.
 
end_of_alpa said:
With $8.5 mil in the kitty I don't think out of pocket will be an issue.  Now, for AOL....that's another matter!
One of the AOL lawyers quit due to lack of payment.
 
end_of_alpa said:
It may be a GROSS visual but I can see where Chip falls into that visual.....
 
I think he refers to Chip as an "a$$ hole licker".
If a maid waked into the room to get an eyeful of either visual would probably result in cardiac arrest.
 
end_of_alpa said:
With $8.5 mil in the kitty I don't think out of pocket will be an issue.  Now, for AOL....that's another matter!
  

Man, how do I break this to you? If the APA is successful in what they're trying to do, you can't touch that money.

end_of_alpa said:
CAUSES OF ACTION
I. Claim One: Breach of the Duty of Fair Representation
 

...... judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I

 
II. Claim Two: Breach of Transition Agreement by US Airways
 
..... judgment in favor of US Airways, Inc. on Count II
 
III. Claim Three: Attorneys’ Fees
 

..... judgment of dismissal without prejudice on Count III
 

IV. Prayer for Relief
 

...... judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count IV
 

It all started with the ninth, it's simply because there hasn't been a combined list yet. What was your point?

 
Phoenix said:
The West alleged that their current representation is unfair, and sued to have a court establish a new representation that would remedy the alleged unfairness. The court concluded the West has fair representation.
Despite everything, you appear to implicitly assume someone else will give you what the court declared you have no right to. There is no end of special groups that would happily demand the same implicit gift from whoever has the courage to distribute them!!
The courts said you don't have to grant it, they didn't say it can't be granted. You of course don't want to because it would mess up your plans and you don't care about liability, because USAPA won't be around. The APA doesn't care about your agenda, but they care about liability. Those special groups have already been integrated, we haven't, apples and oranges.

Bean
 
luvthe9 said:
One of the AOL lawyers quit due to lack of payment.
First I heard of that.

Is it true that the Lawyer that supposedly created MB, just quit USAPA? Also heard a similar rumor that he was told his services were no longer required, after he told USAPA something they didn't like.

Bean
 
Beancounter said:
First I heard of that.

Is it true that the Lawyer that supposedly created MB, just quit USAPA? Also heard a similar rumor that he was told his services were no longer required, after he told USAPA something they didn't like.

Bean
Nope bad info BEAN!
 
Beancounter said:
  

Man, how do I break this to you? If the APA is successful in what they're trying to do, you can't touch that money.

 

It all started with the ninth, it's simply because there hasn't been a combined list yet. What was your point?

 
The courts said you don't have to grant it, they didn't say it can't be granted. You of course don't want to because it would mess up your plans and you don't care about liability, because USAPA won't be around. The APA doesn't care about your agenda, but they care about liability. Those special groups have already been integrated, we haven't, apples and oranges.

Bean
But see you are not a special group, you are represented, I do not recall a separate entity signing the MOU!
 
traderjake said:
A 7 year Captain position is worth more than a 17 year F/O position on the same category airplane.
traderjake said:
Why does a Captain make more than a F/O on the same airplane?
traderjake said:
Not everyone bids the highest position their seniority can hold.


Even you should realize that.
The E190 captain makes more the A319 f/o
 
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