2014 Pilot Discussion

[mrbreeze]

The "legal entity" is the APA. They've made it clear that they intend to fairly represent all pilots. Something you idiotic scabs never figured out. The West will represent themselves in all seniority matters. The opinions of a scab run former bargaining agent aren't worth the time to comment.

Key words....."fairly represent all pilots"

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

That is the most telling event of all. Trader thinks there will be a West merger committee, and the NMB forgot to notify their legal entity. How telling.

Key word "legal" these leadusunhireables do not realize they have left Kansas, if the NMB thought for one minute anything a federal judges dicta( opinion) meant anything they would have delayed that list till the lawsuit played its way out! Nope, M/B on the way, "legal" participants your up! Looks like an arbitration between the "ACTUAL 3 PARTIES" that signed the MOU! The NMB has got the APA's number, DUI DOUG as well!

 

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It occurred to me today ....... I respect that I continue to address....... IMHO............... why I believe........In my opinion.......My point is...........will listen to those with the right information........In my opinion........I believe............ It’s truly a sad situation…

Yep.  Chip is all about....., well,   CHIP!!!
ALL FACT THERE!

 

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From: Chip Munn
Date: April 13, 2014 at 9:08:07 PM EDT
To: Pilot Action
Subject: [PILOTACTION] From Attorney and PHX-based Pilot Mark Doyal's Perch...
Reply-To: Chip Munn

Today I read two interesting message board posts published on The Hangar forum by attorney and PHX-based pilot Mark Doyal that I thought was interesting and is something I believe we should all consider. Here they are:

Post #1:

When APA is granted SC, usapa will not be able to represent anyone. You understand that, right?

Usapa has never represented the west. You know this, but like to say they do, and suggest the west get rid of usapa if they don't like it. You know this to be impossible, but like to throw it out there to get a dig in. Enjoy that, but that will end soon.

We've seen some unusual twists in this sad saga, but I just don't see usapa getting around Judge Silver through a D.C court. At most, it will delay things for a few months. Meanwhile, the co. and APA will just sit back and wait until that is finished. Usapa agreed to a process outlined in the MOU, and that is controlling. Since usapa, as usual, created the first breach of the MOU, the co. and APA have no requirement to do anything with usapa. Even usapa's legal update appears to recognize this. Usapa just can't go to another district court and sue for a different outcome. Look up "Judicial Estoppel" and see for yourself. If you disagree, maybe you can explain "why".

You've stated clearly, at least in one prior post, that you believe the west should be granted equal footing in the upcoming SLI. Good. But that is in direct defiance of usapa.

BTW, you keep bringing up a perceived contradiction in the west's position about attending negotiations. It's this simple, as long as usapa IS the legal bargaining agent, the west cannot negotiate with usapa. Think about that. Under MB, which the MOU adopts, the west can be considered an employee "group", which means the west can be granted separate status. And this will also allow the APA to create a separate east status group, and all groups can attend the arbitration.

But, and I'll say it again, the west cannot negotiate with usapa, as usapa is by definition (and definition only) their cba. Until usapa is decertified, that is. Once the east is regulated to just a separate class, then it won't be a problem. There is no inconsistency here.

Post #2:

I freely admit I've been overconfident in the court system working efficiently and making clear cut rulings. But, so far the west hasn't be wrong. Since the DFR over the Nic against usapa won't happen, usapa's avoidance of DFR is merely because of the highly unique circumstances presented to usapa. If not for the merger, usapa would be facing a DFR, if they ever could get the company to agree to a non nic list. The good news is that the co. and APA have zero interest in helping usapa get away from the "bank" with their ill gotten goods.

Regards,

Chip

You mean, like the AOL legal "dream team" has the upper hand to "consider" anything.

Mark Doyal is a lawyer who got his legal degree, if he really has one, from a Cracker Jack box. He wouldn't know judicial estoppel from tarot card readings.

I'm not sure why all the added Chip postings of late unless it is simply to give comfort to those in the West that truly NO LONGER HAD ANY LEGAL SAY IN ANY COURT.

What is really sad is the West doesn't suffer in silence....they cry like little babies and hide behind the skirts of Munn and Doyal. A slow, PAINFUL DEATH!

 

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Ask CM how he insisted on inputting an incorrect position in a 767 FMC until it accepted it, and then had to land before coasting out with the bad position.

Remember when that happened, I was on the airplane at the time and wondered who it was, well makes sense now, It was a guy who always thinks his position is totally correct regardless of where he is or why the align lights are flashing, duh! MM!

 

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You mean, like the AOL legal "dream team" has the upper hand to "consider" anything.

Mark Doyal is a lawyer who got his legal degree, if he really has one, from a Cracker Jack box. He wouldn't know judicial estoppel from tarot card readings.

I'm not sure why all the added Chip postings of late unless it is simply to give comfort to those in the West that truly NO LONGER HAD ANY LEGAL SAY IN ANY COURT.

What is really sad is the West doesn't suffer in silence....they cry like little babies and hide behind the skirts of Munn and Doyal. A slow, PAINFUL DEATH!

Amen, if they get special representation, a lot of us will petition for our own special set of circumstances, DFR for sure APA!

 

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Remember when that happened, I was on the airplane at the time and wondered who it was, well makes sense now, It was a guy who always thinks his position is totally correct regardless of where he is or why the align lights are flashing, duh! MM!

Whoa!  STOP THE PRESSES!  YOU MEAN...."HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED", or "The CAPED MARAUDER" was.....WRONG!!!!?????!!!!!!

 

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Amen, if they get special representation, a lot of us will petition for our own special set of circumstances, DFR for sure APA!

There is ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL POSITION TO SUPPORT SPECIAL REPRESENTATION.  NONE.  That is why the latest Chip Munn propaganda push is a wasted effort.
 
There IS three LEGAL CASES, however, that SUPPORT USAPA'S POSITION.  (Oh, and the NMB issued the arbitrators as requested by USAPA).
 
Yeah, the APA and AAL are in the drivers seat, alright.

 

[Claxon]

You mean, like the AOL legal "dream team" has the upper hand to "consider" anything.
Mark Doyal is a lawyer who got his legal degree, if he really has one, from a Cracker Jack box. He wouldn't know judicial estoppel from tarot card readings.
I'm not sure why all the added Chip postings of late unless it is simply to give comfort to those in the West that truly NO LONGER HAD ANY LEGAL SAY IN ANY COURT.
What is really sad is the West doesn't suffer in silence....they cry like little babies and hide behind the skirts of Munn and Doyal. A slow, PAINFUL DEATH!

Mark Doyal continues to lead his flock astray. Ferguson and Koontz brought the uneducated to the brink. Doyal leads them into the final fall into the abyss. Mark Doyal knows nothing about MB. Bill Wilder will literally eat him alive. Doyal lied to the FBI, now he lies to america west pilots. Chip Munn is honestly a sad case. He has never been correct about anything. His United merger noise was jus that. Noise. This is the same.
The APA is going right where Wilder wants them. Into binding arbitration with huge wide body risk. Do not listen to Munn. Wilder wrote MB. USAPA will NOT be disenfranchised. USAPA will be face to face with APA. With Wilder holding the cards.
Munn stands on his record. (Sarcasm) zero credibility.

 

[Claxon]

The "legal entity" is the APA. They've made it clear that they intend to fairly represent all pilots. Something you idiotic scabs never figured out. The West will represent themselves in all seniority matters. The opinions of a scab run former bargaining agent aren't worth the time to comment.

Another lie. Start telling the truth. The FBI " pegged" you.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Remember when that happened, I was on the airplane at the time and wondered who it was, well makes sense now, It was a guy who always thinks his position is totally correct regardless of where he is or why the align lights are flashing, duh! MM!

 
Far be it from me to defend CM, but I thought he has been on the A320 for many years.  

 

[Freighterguynow]

It occurred to me today after discussing the pilot's situation with a colleague I respect that I continue to address the same prevalent mentality that is so pervasive with naysayers and the Jones' Cult that will follow the most outspoken to their graves. IMHO, the UELs (and people who support the UELs) who believe they have been harmed in previous ISL proceedings are why I believe the US Airways pilots are in this money and seniority losing situation. They cannot differentiate between sound reasoning and radical positions.[/size]In my opinion, this group has made so many costly stupid errors in the past 11 years the hole the US Airways pilots are in, especially for the short timers, is unrecoverable.[/size]My point is, those pilots who might have a different opinion but also are reasonable, will listen to those with the right information; while others, as we've seen so many times past, take a hardline stand and fail to accept what is right, even if it results in personal financial and quality of life pain. [/size]In my opinion, the US Airways pilots as a whole are doomed for failure on every aspect of moving forward. The Company is an enemy, as are our brothers and sisters out West. Moreover, we (they) have now alienated APA, and probably the courts as they (USAPA) continue to show a lack of integrity or credibility. Why would you shake the hand/s of an individual or committee member knowing full well that past actions deem them untrustworthy? Therein lies the crux of the pilot’s problem.[/size]I believe Gary Hummel seems to be stuck in the flow of the BPR's continuous track record for making bad decisions because of their career disappointment -- deepening the potential for failure. It seems like he's caught by default as the messenger with no power to effect positive change. It’s truly a sad situation…[/size]

Tongue punching the ole fart box ....

 

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Tongue punching the ole fart box ....

You are one strange DOHlt, Homer. I'll bet this is how you leave your bed when you leave the hotel room. View attachment 10147

 

[Beancounter]

Amen, if they get special representation, a lot of us will petition for our own special set of circumstances, DFR for sure APA!

Suing for DFR, because a yet to be integrated group is given fair representation in an arbitration? Well, best of luck with that. On the bright side, you won't be paying the industry's highest union dues while funding the suit out of pocket.

Bean

 

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Suing for DFR, because a yet to be integrated group is given fair representation in an arbitration? Well, best of luck with that. On the bright side, you won't be paying the industry's highest union dues while funding the suit out of pocket.

Bean

With $8.5 mil in the kitty I don't think out of pocket will be an issue.  Now, for AOL....that's another matter!