2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

Earlier this week APA made the following public comment:

"While we don’t know the date when the National Mediation Board will make a determination on our single-carrier filing, we expect it to occur within the next several months, and there is always the possibility it will occur sooner rather than later. With this in mind, some of us have been working on the “come as you are” governance project in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws."

What is USAPA up to? Why did the PHX Reps vote no on today's resolution below?

VP Steve Bradford called the meeting to order at 9:05. A motion to go into closed session was moved/seconded by Stein/Dugstad andpassed 8-2 (Yes - CLT Frear, Nelson, DCA, PHL, PHX Braid; No - PHX Scherff, Simmons; Absent- Borman).

At approximately 12:00, the Board returned to open session and the following motion was moved/seconded by Stein/Music. After about 55 minutes of discussion and deliberation, the motion passed 8 - 3 (Yes - CLT, DCA, PHL; No - PHX).

WHEREAS the BPR is interested in obtaining the best possible seniority integration for all US Airways pilots,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs that the Merger Committee and their Merger Counsel shall be responsible for the Protocol, Transition and Settlement agreements in consultation with the President and the General Counsel.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the proposed agreements must be presented to the BPR for their input and final approval prior to presentation to the APA.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT all negotiations with APA regarding the (3) three documents shall occur exclusively between the Merger Committee and Merger Counsel, in coordination with the President and General Counsel.

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT any tentative agreement(s) obtained between the APA and USAPA are subject to final approval by the BPR.

Why did APA tell its pilots that "in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws"?

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

 
Previously covered: "Stop banally "begging" everyone for unearned attention. You really have been spending too much time with chip, it would seem. 😉 "

 

[EastUS1]

Inquiring minds want to know...

 
P.S. That's unduly arrogant of it's self, in that it presupposes the existence of a "mind" in your case, of which nothing of the sort's ever yet been evidenced. The demonstrated inability to even determine East from West coordinates being fully indicative. I'd suggest reasoned and actual argument, even if purely for sport, but all you've ever proved yourself demonstrably capable of is the production of some strange form of keyboard/cyber flatulence.
 
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/05/08/do-you-need-a-mama-psychodrama/

 

[EastUS1]

Rut Roh! Zero PM's, but two deadly minus votes already!?

 
Much worse now than I'd dared even imagine! Now FOUR mighty "spartan" minus votes...yet not-so-much as a single PM for wager terms...? Sigh!..."You'se" guys are truly a formidable bunch. 🙂
 
GO! mighty "spartans!"...and don't forget to buy "you'se" selves some more "designer" $675 ties:  http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/libertynecktie.html
 
If "you'se" ever get tired of being properly laughed at as nothing more than pathetically arrogant and purely Fantasyland fools...then make it stop...? 😉 Consider the potential value of a world-wide-posted video showing a mighty AWA "spartan ace pilot", perhaps even the AWAsome likes of "Cap'n Aux" himself, soundly defeating a "slope shouldered, grey haired old eastie", with the AWA ace's undoubtedly awesome aerial skills displayed for the whole world to see?....? No? Why not? 🙂

 

[Claxon]

Earlier this week APA made the following public comment:[/size]"While we don’t know the date when the National Mediation Board will make a determination on our single-carrier filing, we expect it to occur within the next several months, and there is always the possibility it will occur sooner rather than later. With this in mind, some of us have been working on the “come as you are” governance project in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws."What is USAPA up to? Why did the PHX Reps vote no on today's resolution below?[/size]VP Steve Bradford called the meeting to order at 9:05. A motion to go into closed session was moved/seconded by Stein/Dugstad and[/size]passed 8-2 (Yes - CLT Frear, Nelson, DCA, PHL, PHX Braid; No - PHX Scherff, Simmons; Absent- Borman).[/size]At approximately 12:00, the Board returned to open session and the following motion was moved/seconded by Stein/Music. After about 55 minutes of discussion and deliberation, the motion[/size] passed 8 - 3 (Yes - CLT, DCA, PHL; No - PHX).[/size]WHEREAS the BPR is interested in obtaining the best possible seniority integration for all US Airways pilots,THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs that the Merger Committee and their Merger Counsel shall be responsible for the Protocol, Transition and Settlement agreements in consultation with the President and the General Counsel.BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the proposed agreements must be presented to the BPR for their input and final approval prior to presentation to the APA.BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT all negotiations with APA regarding the (3) three documents shall occur exclusively between the Merger Committee and Merger Counsel, in coordination with the President and General Counsel.BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT any tentative agreement(s) obtained between the APA and USAPA are subject to final approval by the BPR.Why did APA tell its pilots that "in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws"?[/size]Inquiring minds want to know...[/size]

Earlier this week APA made the following public comment:[/size]"While we don’t know the date when the National Mediation Board will make a determination on our single-carrier filing, we expect it to occur within the next several months, and there is always the possibility it will occur sooner rather than later. With this in mind, some of us have been working on the “come as you are” governance project in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws."What is USAPA up to? Why did the PHX Reps vote no on today's resolution below?[/size]VP Steve Bradford called the meeting to order at 9:05. A motion to go into closed session was moved/seconded by Stein/Dugstad and[/size]passed 8-2 (Yes - CLT Frear, Nelson, DCA, PHL, PHX Braid; No - PHX Scherff, Simmons; Absent- Borman).[/size]At approximately 12:00, the Board returned to open session and the following motion was moved/seconded by Stein/Music. After about 55 minutes of discussion and deliberation, the motion[/size] passed 8 - 3 (Yes - CLT, DCA, PHL; No - PHX).[/size]WHEREAS the BPR is interested in obtaining the best possible seniority integration for all US Airways pilots,THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs that the Merger Committee and their Merger Counsel shall be responsible for the Protocol, Transition and Settlement agreements in consultation with the President and the General Counsel.BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the proposed agreements must be presented to the BPR for their input and final approval prior to presentation to the APA.BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT all negotiations with APA regarding the (3) three documents shall occur exclusively between the Merger Committee and Merger Counsel, in coordination with the President and General Counsel.BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT any tentative agreement(s) obtained between the APA and USAPA are subject to final approval by the BPR.Why did APA tell its pilots that "in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws"?[/size]Inquiring minds want to know...[/size]

Munn is trying to sway you to think the APA can circumvent the seniority issues and merger representation issues. They cannot. M/B will take care of it. Continue to let the APA drive themselves into arbitration. You might be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Claxon]

What is USAPA up to? Why did the PHX Reps vote no on today's resolution.............

 

 

 

[luvthe9]

P.S. That's unduly arrogant of it's self, in that it presupposes the existence of a "mind" in your case, of which nothing of the sort's ever yet been evidenced. The demonstrated inability to even determine East from West coordinates being fully indicative. I'd suggest reasoned and actual argument, even if purely for sport, but all you've ever proved yourself demonstrably capable of is the production of some strange form of keyboard/cyber flatulence.
 
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/05/08/do-you-need-a-mama-psychodrama/

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Subject: U-Turn: U-Turn reader replies to Captain Chip Munn


Weve heard from Captain Munn before. He currently runs his own Pro-ALPA PilotAction website. Now he hypes an anonymous site of questionable facts. Wherever he sees an audience, he jumps on the latest cause. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I disagree with his. We have learned that when Captain Munn is involved, be very afraid, if hes on your side of the issue.

Munn needs some mental help, must have very low self esteem.

 

[EastUS1]

Munn needs some mental help, .....

 
"some" is putting it mildly....

 

[end_of_alpa]

Earlier this week APA made the following public comment:[/size]"While we don’t know the date when the National Mediation Board will make a determination on our single-carrier filing, we expect it to occur within the next several months, and there is always the possibility it will occur sooner rather than later. With this in mind, some of us have been working on the “come as you are” governance project in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws."What is USAPA up to? Why did the PHX Reps vote no on today's resolution below?[/size]VP Steve Bradford called the meeting to order at 9:05. A motion to go into closed session was moved/seconded by Stein/Dugstad and[/size]passed 8-2 (Yes - CLT Frear, Nelson, DCA, PHL, PHX Braid; No - PHX Scherff, Simmons; Absent- Borman).[/size]At approximately 12:00, the Board returned to open session and the following motion was moved/seconded by Stein/Music. After about 55 minutes of discussion and deliberation, the motion[/size] passed 8 - 3 (Yes - CLT, DCA, PHL; No - PHX).[/size]WHEREAS the BPR is interested in obtaining the best possible seniority integration for all US Airways pilots,THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs that the Merger Committee and their Merger Counsel shall be responsible for the Protocol, Transition and Settlement agreements in consultation with the President and the General Counsel.BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the proposed agreements must be presented to the BPR for their input and final approval prior to presentation to the APA.BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT all negotiations with APA regarding the (3) three documents shall occur exclusively between the Merger Committee and Merger Counsel, in coordination with the President and General Counsel.BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT any tentative agreement(s) obtained between the APA and USAPA are subject to final approval by the BPR.Why did APA tell its pilots that "in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws"?[/size]Inquiring minds want to know...[/size]

Chip, just ONE question?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????

 

[EastUS1]

Chip, just ONE question?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????

 
Good luck ever getting any direct response. Standard profiling for obsessive narcissists nowhere includes even the slightest desire to actually engage any others that could, in any way, ever challenge the necessary maintenance fantasies of the sufferer. Such unfortunates truly "live" only within their own little worlds. Expect absolutely ZERO actual discussion ever, and likely only a brief respite before yet another mindless posting.

 

[snapthis]

"You'se" are now reduced to threats of "jumping chollas"? Sigh! Boring, as usual. Dazzle and impress me with a PM for wager details and arrangements, or otherwise, get lost. My tolerence for smarmy, wannabe "spartan hero" crap's no longer sufficient to continue indulging it.  "You'se" bunch are good for laughs, and nothing more. 😉

I'll meet you after school by the monkey bars.

Better yet, how about keep playing with yourself.

 

[EastUS1]

I'll meet you after school by the monkey bars.

Better yet, how about keep playing with yourself.

 
No surprise. Who could even imagine that any "spartan", and as was often said by the west over the years here, would ever "man up" for anything that would require "you'se" to attempt even impersonating a "Pilot"? Didn't you go to the very finest private schools though? Did they teach you nothing of any actual value? It must be past time for you to check back in with your parents, or strange little "spartan" cult for some nurturing hugs and "validation". 😉
 
Thanks for the always dependable laughs..."soldier"...and of course, "patriot". After all..."you'se" do have a designer tie from a mighty "army" proclaiming "liberty", don't ya'? I can only barely even imagine ever making such a grand contribution to America myself...and at the bargain basement "sacrifice" level of a whopping few hundred dollars to imagine myself a "patriot"?...WOW! What a deal! Who knew!? Why..the spirits of all those from Lexington and Concord to the present must bestir themselves in utter "awa" awe.
 
"Better yet, how about keep playing with yourself."..? No need. I do have very long time friends that are actual Pilots. We get together occasionally for some aerial grins. "You'se" apparently don't, for which you've my proper sympathy.
 
GO! "spartans"...and don't forget to buy a buncha' more $675 ties!....Morons. 😉 http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/libertynecktie.html

 

[luvthe9]

Chip, just ONE question?
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????

He has no idea, must have got a messages from his "sources" we're merging with United.

 

[Claxon]

Look for apa and USAPA agreeing on a seniority protocol agreement in the near future.  apa does not want to go to arbitration.  If you had career expectations for a wide body seat, you will be ok.  If you have any appeal in the courts it will become moot very shortly. 
 
apa finally panicked at the realization that they could not bring their stapler to the dance.

 

[Claxon]

"Speak softly and carry three legal court rulings in your hand."
 
Paraphrasing the reality of USAPA's  current stance.

 

[mrbreeze]

Look for apa and USAPA agreeing on a seniority protocol agreement in the near future.  apa does not want to go to arbitration.  If you had career expectations for a wide body seat, you will be ok.  If you have any appeal in the courts it will become moot very shortly. 
 
apa finally panicked at the realization that they could not bring their stapler to the dance.

Right on the money!
 
It's my understanding that APA and USAPA have the protocol agreement 80% worked out and that if it goes to arbitration, that is what they will present to the Arbitrators, asking them to settle the other 20%.
breeze