2014 Pilot Discussion

[Piedmont1984]

Okay, Silver's latest ruling was a big development also. What she thinks about Hummel or Szymanski or USAPA is no surprise and legally, of no consequence.

 

[Pi brat]

After going through the recent recall and then reading Judge Silver's decision, I thought it remarkable that Gary Hummel would take a victory lap for that decision.

If you read that decision carefully, you will see that the Judge was less then impressed by Gary and how close we came to losing it. She scolded us at length and in many places. I believe she was wrong in her opinion of USAPA as a whole and she certainly overstepped her bounds as regards to our future, but she made it very plain what she thought about Gary. We won that decision in spite of his efforts.

If credit should be given, it should go to the people that charted the strategy that we eventually won on. That would be Mike Cleary and Randy Mowery. Those two hired the right law firms, set strategy, appointed the committee people that formed the essential committees that we all now take for granted and kept this union together from the beginning and during the most difficult times. A real leader would have given credit where credit was due. Hummel patted himself on the back as if to say "Look what I did" when he happened to come into office at the same time US Airways announced the merger and then needed our help. Other than follow the strategy that Mike and Randy had us on, what else did he do? He almost cost us that decision, that's what he did. I guess the old adage of "I'd rather be lucky then good" applies here. It's amazing to me just how small some people can get.

I can't tell you what I know about some things because of confidentiality, but I can tell you that decisions that Hummel made came very close to creating a disaster and still might. Some day I hope to tell the whole story so everyone can see what I am talking about. But right now, because things are not finalized with our seniority, I need to remain quiet. I guess that is why I find his self-congratulations so disingenuous.

On another topic, but may be just as relevant, In every election, the results have always been released as to how each base voted. That way, it was easy to see how different cultures (north, south, west) felt about a person or an issue. Not this time. This time, Gary is keeping that information to himself. The reason he says is consistency. He claims that in the CLT recall attempt, the numbers were not released but if you remember, they were. So it makes no sense to say they are being consistent. If they truly want consistency, release the information as it always has been. Unless there is another reason, like the east voted to recall him while the west voted to keep him. Not so far fetched since until Judge Silver made her decision, we never heard a single word out of Hummel about the company inviting the west to form their own merger committee and attend meetings. Not one word.

We have to trust our leaders and at least 49% have lost trust in Gary's leadership. That is a huge number and he will have to work very hard indeed, to gain that trust back. A start would be transparency. The seniority decision with the west has been made. Time to start leveling with us. If the west decided to vote to keep him, the obvious question would be why? They really wanted Bradford gone and they really wanted to run Ferguson for President. So why vote to keep both of them in there? If they did vote against the recall, I have to wonder why.

The future today looks much brighter than it did a few days ago, however, there is a lot of work to do yet and many decisions must be made that will affect all of our futures. The BPR had better be involved and hopefully Hummel will work hand in hand with them and the merger committee. The pilots here had better demand it.

Bill Glynn

I don't know Billl Glynn, but change a few words and this letter could have come from AOL!
 
MOVE ON MAN! Yes, I've lost faith in my leaders, those that brought this ill timed recall effort.

 

[luvthe9]

 
MOVE ON MAN! Yes, I've lost faith in my leaders, those that brought this ill timed recall effort.

I guess you and Traitor are on the same side, Hummel still needs to go, glad the reps tried to get him out.

 

[Bill Brasky]

NO, you and the reps that started that stupid recall need to go. 
 
Can you imagine the pickle we'd be in right now if it had succeeded, and there was a great chance that a divided East group and a unified west group could have allowed the President and VP positions to go west?  How dumb would that have been?
 
If you're Bill Glynn, I sure wouldn't be signing my real name to assinine "letters" on the internet.
 
More letters like those and you'll start getting called Chip II.

 

[luvthe9]

NO, you and the reps that started that stupid recall need to go. 
 
Can you imagine the pickle we'd be in right now if it had succeeded, and there was a great chance that a divided East group and a unified west group could have allowed the President and VP positions to go west?  How dumb would that have been?
 
If you're Bill Glynn, I sure wouldn't be signing my real name to assinine "letters" on the internet.

. In case you have not noticed this east group is quite divided, Hummel needs to go.

 

[Pi brat]

I guess you and Traitor are on the same side, Hummel still needs to go, glad the reps tried to get him out.

Get the F over it! There was a recall vote. It failed. MOVE ON!

 

[Pi brat]

. In case you have not noticed this east group is quite divided, Hummel needs to go.

In case YOU haven't noticed, the east group has been divided since about 1989. These kind of letters, after a recall vote, serve no purpose.
 
The process worked. The BPR was able to put it out there and it failed. MOVE ON and play well together. It's the same thing I told Gary Humel.
 
The current BPR leaders need to look at the vote counts that got them elected. For CLT is was a ridiculously low number of eligible voters. Go ahead, wake up the apathetic.

 

[luvthe9]

Get the F over it! There was a recall vote. It failed. MOVE ON!

Hard to get over not getting rid of someone who cost me over 80 grand and did not fight for my retro pay plus telling how great the first MOU was not to mention he is a lying sack of s**t. Guess Gary did not take you advice on playing nice, I think he canned Ciabattoni. Along with weak ars pilot group plus the guys that choose not to participate is why we are still on the bottom.

 

[A320 Driver]

Hard to get over not getting rid of someone who cost me over 80 grand and did not fight for my retro pay plus telling how great the first MOU was not to mention he is a lying sack of s**t. Guess Gary did not take you advice on playing nice, I think he canned Ciabattoni. Along with weak ars pilot group plus the guys that choose not to participate is why we are still on the bottom.

You can opt out of the "weak ars pilot group" any time you like. Don't let the door hit you in the "ars".

 

[Pi brat]

Hard to get over not getting rid of someone who cost me over 80 grand and did not fight for my retro pay plus telling how great the first MOU was not to mention he is a lying sack of s**t. Guess Gary did not take you advice on playing nice, I think he canned Ciabattoni. Along with weak ars pilot group plus the guys that choose not to participate is why we are still on the bottom.

Let's see a breakdown of the 80 grand. Absent this MOU you wouldn't have been paid back to Feb 8th and you would be facing an AOL appeal and dragging out the AA merger while on LOA 93. MOVE ON.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Hopefully we can McCaskill-Bond unions like  USAPA to prevent a similar travesty in the future.
 
Thanks for the suggestion.

 
Have at it.  Let us know when you get your campaign started.  Bring more money.

 

[luvthe9]

Let's see a breakdown of the 80 grand. Absent this MOU you wouldn't have been paid back to Feb 8th and you would be facing an AOL appeal and dragging out the AA merger while on LOA 93. MOVE ON.

absent the CLT and PHL reps you would not have back pay from Feb. 8, fact.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Well...according to her, at least some months back; she was eagerly prepped and ready to bid into the left seat of a 330 in CLT no later than august of last year...Didn't that happen? In fairness though; her hilarious"T minus" countdown clocks were still up and running then as well. 😉

 
Well, there's a boatload of A330 captain bids open now for April.  She should put her name in for one of those!  :LOL:

 

[Bill Brasky]

Luv,
Not sure why you're so big on giving them so much extra credit for DOING THEIR JOBS.

 

[nycbusdriver]

So Snappy, since you are one of the few west posters still posting and you have read Silver's ruling, I want to ask you something. You know where Silver gives her reason for not allowing Humel's testimony? You see any problem with that?
 
It all sounds logical, right? Well the thing is, Humel provided a sworn depositon BEFORE his heart surgery and the hearing about the origins of 10h. He laid in on Kirby. Here it is from September 17th:
 
·A.· ·So at that meeting Dave Bates, his
·8· overriding concern was on how USAPA was going to
·9· handle their current seniority integration issue
10· and would that be handled prior to any merger with
11· American.· And that concern was answered by Scott
12· Kirby, who made it perfectly clear that we weren't
13· going to deal with seniority in any way, shape or
14· form, that the McCaskill-Bond process would allow
15· us to deal with that at a later date, that we would
16· be able to work towards an MOU provided that there
17· was no discussion on seniority and that the
18· seniority issue would be dealt with after the
19· merger.
 
So, under risk of perjury, Humel said that. If the AOL team was soooo sure that it was a lie, why didn't they call Scott Kirby to the stand? He could have made quick work of it, right? Add to the fact that USAPA tried to have the hearing delayed, and had she done that Humel wouldn't have had a reason to not testify, and it makes your wonder about the Judge.
 
It doesn't really matter, she ruled in USAPA's favor, but her words are giving the west encouragement.

 
I think she had very valid reasons not to let Hummel's "statement" in.  There was no opportunity for cross-examination.  Had that loser attorney the westicles hired been able to depose him, then Hummel's "deposition" would likely have been allowed in.