2014 Pilot Discussion

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January 5, 2014
Leonidas Update
On January 2, 2014, the attorneys for the West Class filed a Notice of Events Related to the Remedy. You can read it here. The purpose of the filing was to inform Judge Silver of what transpired at the first and so far only protocol meeting that the company invited the participants to attend on December 20, 2013. Since that filing, we have learned that the Company has extended the protocol agreement negotiating period by 30 days and APA has notified the West Merger Committee that it will not be providing comments to our draft protocol agreement until its Seniority Integration Committee can brief its Board regarding the current status.
Once again, as we have repeatedly seen throughout the past seven years, USAPA is attempting to delay resolution of the East-West seniority integration dispute, once again breaching its contractual obligations and refusing to participate in the process that it agreed to when it entered the MOU. As West Pilots recognize, separate West representation during the seniority integration process is a necessity given the inherent East-West seniority conflict and we believe mandated under the MOU and McCaskill-Bond in order to ensure that the upcoming seniority integration process with American Airlines pilots is fair and equitable. The East-controlled USAPA continues to insist that they alone can determine what is fair for all US Airways pilots, but all of you know after seven years that this is not the case.
We encourage all pilots to read the recent filing. The West pilots should pay particular attention to the circumstances under which the West Merger Committee must operate. The Company has stated it will not provide flight pay loss, positive space transportation privileges or even facilitate releasing the West Merger Committee members from their flight schedules. Further, it has indicated that it will not release any of the $4 million set aside in the MOU until an integrated seniority list is presented and then only if that occurs within 24 months of the POR date. While the West Pilots are once again left to fend for themselves, representatives for USAPAs Merger Committee are on full time flight pay loss, given positive space transportation and have available millions in reserves.
It has become obvious in recent weeks that the West Pilots are once again left with no option but to fund themselves to protect their seniority rights. We continue to hope that Judge Silver will remedy this unconscionable situation as part of the pending litigation; however, until that time comes we have no choice but to reach into our own pockets to fight for our futures.
Please consider how important your funding is to protecting the seniority rights of all former America West pilots. We are not done yet.
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_294_Notice_of_Events_Relevant_to_Remedy.pdf

Too bad.

 

[Freighterguynow]

West losers takin it to a new level.

 

[traderjake]

West losers takin it to a new level.

 
Says the losers who boycotted the seniority protocal meeting. 

 

[Piedmont1984]

So explain to me, exactly what the game plan is should Hummel be recalled. Is it to reverse or undo what has been done? Will there be an MOU III hammered out with the company where we finally exploit our so called leverage? Will the BPR appointed president (talk about circumventing the democratic vote of the membership), or the BPR itself, file a grievance or lawsuit over COC?

Does anyone doubt that the BPR appointed president will effectively be the last one?

The MOU is done, history, finished. The BPR voted unanimously in favor of it.

The Addington lawsuit is in the hands of the attorneys. Or will the new president and BPR fire these and hire yet another law firm?

The only significant item remaining is the SLI with APA. Has anyone questioned the competence or integrity of the merger committee? Will the newly appointed president and BPR restaff the committee? If not then leave them the hell alone to do their job within the timeline remaining. Anything which undermines their effectiveness or meddles in their efforts should be considered anathema.

If the BPR keeps up with current events they should catch up with what happened at Boeing and reflect. The membership told the leadership to back off its hard line stance, thereby keeping thousands of jobs in Washington state.

The rest of this is nothing more than fighting over who will be in charge of turning off the lights at USAPA HQ and punching the opponent (Hummel) after the bell.

 

[Res Judicata]

I'd like to know specifically where in the MOU the West Hawaii flying is protected and the AA widebody flying is protected vs. no protection for us. I do not recall ANY language that is specific to the West pilot group or any widebody protection that is exclusive to one side but not the other. Another point he made was somehow correlating the East signing bonus with the 13.4% equity share the AA pilots got. They have NOTHING to do with one another...NOTHING. We were not due an equity share since were not unsecured creditors of AA. I frankly am surprised at the lack of understanding this rep has of the MOU. He either doesn't care enough to educate himself, probably because it doesn't suit his agenda, or he is not telling the truth...it's one or the other.

Just another East idiot that can't differentiate his ass from a hole in the ground. Things will be much better after hummer and Scabford hit the street.

 

[Res Judicata]

So explain to me, exactly what the game plan is should Hummel be recalled. Is it to reverse or undo what has been done? Will there be an MOU III hammered out with the company where we finally exploit our so called leverage? Will the BPR appointed president (talk about circumventing the democratic vote of the membership), or the BPR itself, file a grievance or lawsuit over COC?
Does anyone doubt that the BPR appointed president will effectively be the last one?
The MOU is done, history, finished. The BPR voted unanimously in favor of it.
The Addington lawsuit is in the hands of the attorneys. Or will the new president and BPR fire these and hire yet another law firm?
The only significant item remaining is the SLI with APA. Has anyone questioned the competence or integrity of the merger committee? Will the newly appointed president and BPR restaff the committee? If not then leave them the hell alone to do their job within the timeline remaining. Anything which undermines their effectiveness or meddles in their efforts should be considered anathema.
The rest of this is nothing more than fighting over who will be in charge of turning off the lights at USAPA HQ and punching the opponent (Hummel) after the bell.

Don't Worry. Cortney Borman is in charge. He won't FK this up at all.

 

[snapthis]

West losers takin it to a new level.

 
There are other levels we can take this to frustrate you even more.

 

[snapthis]

Don't Worry. Cortney Borman is in charge. He won't FK this up at all.

 
 

 

[traderjake]

Enquiring Minds Want to Know​

 
 
To “New Roll Call 6” currently sitting on the BPR. I think the Pilots need some Answers. Believable Answers to Where You are Taking Us:
 
Recently you saw the APA President’s unwillingness to meet with our Dysfunctional Union. This was conveyed to you in an email. I find his position not surprising after what has transpired in recent weeks.
 
Capt. Wilson stated:
"...a joint meeting is not the best thing at this time. From our perspective we believe this type of meeting should wait until the leadership question is answered at your union..."
 
Joe Votes NO, NO, NO raised these questions
 
There is no clear succession language in the USAPA Constitution if both Officers are removed.

• Would a BPR, acting without an elected President or Vice President, be able to carry out any legal duties under the Railway Labor Act?
• Would any agreement signed have any validity?
• If there are no Officers with Statutory Fiduciary Duty to the Association and the membership can the BPR disburse funds, and continue operations?
  By the way, the USAPA Constitution does not authorize the BPR to disburse funds.

 
Capt. Kirk Atkinson states:
I witnessed the conference call between the BPR and Capt. Wilson President of APA. The BPR members, who spoke to Capt. Wilson, embarrassed themselves and they damaged our standing with APA in my opinion.
 
Capt. Wilson does not represent the Pilots of USAPA. USAPA is supposed to be my CBA. You tried to paint an Ugly picture of Mr. Parker to Capt. Wilson. APA does not share the “Recall Gang’s “view of Mr. Parker.
One BPR member suggested a “Full Page Ad, informing the Public that this merger was not going to work well” as the best way to achieve our Demands. Capt. Wilson did not recommend this course of action.

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Mr. Borman and rest of BPR, have you not damaged all “Pilots” you claim to represent by moving forward on this Recall. Do you understand this? Win, Lose or Draw you have bloodied us all greatly!​

 
I personally find your Situational Awareness lacking in the area of negotiating with the Company and APA. I also question your ability to strategize going forward in any positive manner. Some of the BPR believe the best plan as Capt. Frear stated more than once in BPR meetings is ”Go Nuclear Early”.
 
APA does not want to negotiate or participate with USAPA if there is any question of USAPA's legal status.
 
John Taylor and rest of BPR, will you put East pilots in the same place as the West Pilot Group? Putting all USAPA pilots in a place where APA has no CBA recognized by the NMB etc. to negotiate with?
 
If a ‘DOOMSDAY SENARIO” is not addressed in the C&BL’s or UOM, I believe it best to avoid this impending Disaster. You sell “Recall” as a way to bring calm to our union. Sir, it will take more than stating or printing “trust us we read the rules differently than the attorneys we pay do” as you overthrow the current government, to achieve an imagined trust or calmness.
 
I have as a matter of record, told the BPR in open session” Be careful or you will have East pilots suing for DFR against USAPA”. Mr. Taylor, Mr. Music and Mr. Borman are you ready to sail into those Uncharted Waters? Are you using the Legal Advice of the Legal Team of USAPA? A legal team with over 100 years of dealing with unions and the issues they create or address.
Or, Sirs are you banking on the Legal Advice of a Pilot with 3 years of Law Practice?
Ask the Legal Staff you trust, if not only the West Pilots but also now the East Pilots should ask Judge Silver for “Status”?
Should the East Pilots quickly form our own Merger Committee, due to USAPA’s group being un-recognized?
 
Gentlemen of the “New Roll Call 6”
Do not let the above give your reason to “BLINK” your ability to rewrite history, to re-write the C&BL’s, UOM is rising to new heights. I do hope you have truly gotten a written opinion from a Legal Team, other than your Counsel of General Mr. Paul DiOrio Esq.
 
Ron Nelson and fellow BPR are you or my fellow pilots going to get much legal help for free, looks like an all-volunteer Union and hopefully the money in the bank will be returned to the pilots of USAPA. Lawyers will not paid, lights turned out but “Recall Gang” will have total Power?
 

• Could it be that the Appeal Board may have to rule, with the question elevated to the courts with USAPA asking for a declaratory judgment?

 
Capt. Bob Fear, can answer the above. He has stated in Open Session,” The Appeal Board is not the venue for this stuff, they are on Gary’s side” Will there be yet another assessment to the pilots for more money? Who writes the checks while we litigate who writes the checks? Do the pilots have to pay dues to a Union that is not a Union?
 
Paul DiOrio and fellow BPR;
Will you file these legal documents for free, all you have to do is copy the ones the PA did, and they have a 100 years of experience. You Sir have what? Some 3 years of, what some would say is a 3 year FPL paid Law Degree”? Surly you know how to copy.
Considering the legal environment USAPA is operating in, APA might require clarity and finality in the ability of USAPA to enter into any legally bindingagreements or negotiations before they will consider meeting with USAPA.
 

By the way, have you seen the JCBA / Seniority Integration time line?​

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Don't Blink!​

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Gentlemen of the “New Roll Call 6”
Do not let the above bring you cause to “BLINK” your ability to rewrite history, to re-write the C&BL’s, UOM is rising to new heights. I do hope you have truly gotten a written opinion from a Legal Team, other than your Counsel of General Mr. Paul DiOrio Esq.

Eric Ferguson told me over a year ago” PHX spends a great deal of time protecting USAPA from USAPA, he has a tall order with “ Recall 6” in Control.​

Capt. Kirk is Comfortable the “Recall Gang” will neither “BLINK nor WILL YOU HAVE any DOUBT”​

If your plans fail I have no doubt you will continue to blame others for your Failures, History does repeat itself.​

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As it is said” Stupid is Cocksure and the Intelligent are Full of Doubt”​

Capt. Kirk Atkinson​

 

[A320 Driver]

Just another East idiot that can't differentiate his ass from a hole in the ground. Things will be much better after hummer and Scabford hit the street.

I doubt seriously if things will be better if the recall is successful. Just more turmoil...which, I suppose, is what you want.

 

[Phoenix]

January 5, 2014
Leonidas Update
On January 2, 2014, ....
It has become obvious in recent weeks that the West Pilots are once again left with no option but to fund themselves to protect their seniority rights.... we have no choice but to reach into our own pockets to fight for our futures.
Please consider how important your funding is...

What do Leonidas leaders and East FUD leaders have in common? They are begging for your money, in exchange for a promise to manipulate things against the majority.

What is wrong with following the MOU? The membership voted for the change it brought. No one should be lackluster in following these changes or lackluster in ensuring everyone abides by the MOU.

I am offended by people soliciting money, as for-profit groups, to fight or manipulate the members will... And all the while preaching how they have integrity.

P.S. Who is the new ballot certification chairman? Is it right to solicit funds for a political figure and at the same time serve as the chairman of the ballot certification committee during a recall ballot of that same political figure? Should prominent political figures accept an appointment to the ballot certification committe?

 

[snapthis]

What do Leonidas leaders and East FUD leaders have in common? They are begging for your money, in exchange for a promise to manipulate things against the majority.
What is wrong with following the MOU? The membership voted for the change it brought. No one should be lackluster in following these changes or lackluster in ensuring everyone abides by the MOU.
I am offended by people soliciting money, as for-profit groups, to fight or manipulate the members will... And all the while preaching how they have integrity.
P.S. Who is the new ballot certification chairman? Is it right to solicit funds for a political foigure and at the same time serve as the chairman of the ballot certification committee during a recall ballot of that same political figure? Should prominent political figures accept an appointment to the ballot certification committe?

I know, we've been running out of money for years and we are still here. It looks like you'll have to be raising money yourselves pretty soon without West funds. 😉

 

[snapthis]

I doubt seriously if things will be better if the recall is successful. Just more turmoil...which, I suppose, is what you want.

We are helping you all rearrange the chairs on the Titanic. Then we will watch as you climb over each other while you take your last gasps.

Bon Voyage.

 

[Phoenix]

So explain to me, exactly what the game plan is should Hummel be recalled. ...

If you trust Hummel to vigorously defend the terms of the MOU and the exclusive bargaining rights of the certified agent, then vote for him.

No matter how many scary letters I read from Leonidas, Mark King, or Joe voter, I can't convince myself Hummel will actually stand by the terms of MOU if Silver or the company order or suggest a more expedient interpretation.

 

[Phoenix]

I know, we've been running out of money for years and we are still here. It looks like you'll have to be raising money yourselves pretty soon without West funds. 😉

Even if Leonids is not awash in money, at least you relish the thought of your opponents being in the same predicament you find yourself in, and you are still self righteous.