2014 Pilot Discussion

[cltrat]

I believe that DCA319 and myself have come to a sort of "truce" moment. I would prefer to keep it that way if possible. Let's just continue our discussions as they are for the moment and hope for better.

K?

done my friend

 

[luvthe9]

if you want to console dca319 I'd suggest a Bojangles tailgate pack maybe some photos of Lake Norman

Did someone mention Bojangles, buckets all around for our west friends!

 

[Bill Brasky]

Did someone mention Bojangles, buckets all around for our west friends!

Pass the Lipitor!

 

[EastUS1]

We've been flapping pretty hard over the years in the east too.

 
Sure "you'se" have, Move2CLT. I'd say thanks for the always-predictable laughs, but yours is increasingly a sad condition to see anyone suffering with.

 

[EastUS1]

Looks like the westies are in full meltdown mode.  Better be careful, lest you be contaminated by molten stupidity.

 
Indeed.

 

[EastUS1]

It just cracks me up how much effort you eastholes are putting into trying to convince the world that you have won this debacle and the Nic is dead.  If you really believed that you certainly wouldn't try so hard. 

 
Why try so hard to convince anyone of the opposite then?...Unless, by your "logic"; you've actually little faith in your own BS? 😉

 

[dca319]

done my friend

Thanks.  We're BFFs now.
 
Or until the NMB rules.

 

[EastUS1]

dca319: We've been flapping pretty hard over the years in the east too.

Thanks.  We're BFFs now.
 
Or until the NMB rules.

 
Yes, yes indeed. As a supposed "east" pilot; who's "been flapping pretty hard over the years"...it's very clear why "you'se" would exult at a "spartan"/nic triumph, and be supposedly hooked up with a "buddy at APA" so's to cheer for, and eagerly report their equally-supposedly shared lust for the nic, and forward every tiny hope for "you'se" getting it...Right ...? Sigh! Good luck with life Move2CLT, and I'd strongly suggest some professional help along the way.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Thanks.  We're BFFs now.
 
Or until the NMB rules.

Whoa! Wait a minute.

WAIT JUST A MINUTE!

 

[prechilill]

Great job you stupid USAPA Scabs, now the APA is getting a taste of your lunatic behaviors.  Thank you!!!
From the APA:
 
 
Your APA leadership has received several inquiries from members regarding our filing of a petition for single-carrier status with the National Mediation Board (NMB) earlier this week. Some members have also read the update that the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) issued yesterday, which characterized the filing as "premature" and asserted that a single-carrier filing would be timely only after an integrated seniority list is completed.
To be clear, APA's filing complies with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) mutually agreed to by American Airlines, US Airways, APA and USAPA. The MOU stipulates the following:


APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.
The term "Effective Date" refers to the date of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, which was Dec. 9, 2013.
Consistent with that provision of the MOU and based on information American Airlines filed with the NMB last week, APA determined that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition. The completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. Actually, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration.

The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.

APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

 

[EastUS1]

Great job you stupid USAPA Scabs, now the APA is getting a taste of your lunatic behaviors.  Thank you!!!
From the APA:
 
The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.

APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

 
Ah yes! One can clearly see their message as being fully and unconditionally supportive of your strange fantasies of late...Whew! One small question though: Why is there no contained message, or any slight murmer, about negotiating with the west as being even any semblance of legal entity?...?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Great job you stupid USAPA Scabs, now the APA is getting a taste of your lunatic behaviors.  Thank you!!!
From the APA:
 
 
Your APA leadership has received several inquiries from members regarding our filing of a petition for single-carrier status with the National Mediation Board (NMB) earlier this week. Some members have also read the update that the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) issued yesterday, which characterized the filing as "premature" and asserted that a single-carrier filing would be timely only after an integrated seniority list is completed.
To be clear, APA's filing complies with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) mutually agreed to by American Airlines, US Airways, APA and USAPA. The MOU stipulates the following:


APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.
The term "Effective Date" refers to the date of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, which was Dec. 9, 2013.
Consistent with that provision of the MOU and based on information American Airlines filed with the NMB last week, APA determined that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition. The completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. Actually, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration.

The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.

APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

Here comes the FUD which was posted over at the Airline Pilot Central Forums (which, BTW, is even MORE of a waste of bandwidth than this forum).  READ THE SECOND TO LAST LINE:
"The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward."
 
As I have been saying all along, this infomercial from the APA is saying EXACTLY what I have been saying all along.
 
I do not post this here to convince the West pilots of ANYTHING.  I post this here to the East pilots (and the APA pilots that read this forum) that they should use the brains God (or whomever they do or don't believe in) gave them that logic and the laws prevail.... "emoticons" on the web board do not.
 
The seat belt sign is off.  Feel free to move about the cabin.  Now, move along.... nothing to see here.

 

[Claxon]

This is what happens when you are sitting out there in Charlotte while those of us in Texas have a better idea what's going on with developments at AA.
There is probably a reason there has not been an appeal filed by Leonidas.
Something to do with skinning a cat, maybe?

More to do with the fact Leonidas donations fell off a cliff.
Seems the more senior folks are tired of the junior Ferguson and Koontz seniority grab.
They are losing big dollars.

 

[dca319]

Ouch.

The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

 

[Claxon]

NIC award fun facts...........
 
Q:   Number of west pilots Nic put senior to east pilots that were flying for this airline when the west pilot had not graduated High School yet?      A:    319
 
Q:   Number that were in High School  (15 to 18 yrs old)?       A:  226
 
Q:  Number that were in grade school (0 to 14 yrs of age)      A:  93
 
Q: Number that were 11 yrs old when the east guy below them was flying a jet for this company?    A:  14
 
Q:  Number that were 10 yrs old?    A:  5
 
Q:  Number that were 9 years old?   A:  7
 
Q:  Number of west pilots NIC put senior to east pilots hired before AWA ever flew their first revenue flight?   A:  180
 
Half the west f/o's that were placed senior to not furloughed east pilots were under the age of 20 when the east pilot was doing his first  IOE with this company.
About 2/3's of those west f/o's still had not completed high school.
 
2005 hired west pilots appear senior to the 1988 East Bus captains.....AA junior capt is a 1993 md-80 driver as of about 6 months ago.......And some of you actually believe that the APA is going to support you wanting to use the NIC list in the integration with them?    Not a chance.
 
We could see relative slotting in this merger,  but relative slotting based on what the 3 lists look like now,  Not the NIC disaster.  
 
No idea how this is all going to end up but the one thing I am sure about is the NIC Awarded seniority list will not be a part of it.

Thank heavens you stopped this lack of integrity by the west in failing to remedy.
Kicking ALPA to the curb was the best move.