2014 Pilot Discussion

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US Airways Local Council 41 Put in Trusteeship
Executive Council votes unanimously to remove officers for failing to provide necessary support to ALPA
March 3, 2008
The Executive Council voted unanimously today to take “emergency corrective action” by placing Local Council 41 (US Airways, Philadelphia) into emergency trusteeship.
 
The vote terminates the terms of Capt. Eric Rowe, chairman and captain representative; Capt. Dave Ciabattoni, vice chairman and first officer representative; and Capt. Jim Portale, secretary-treasurer. ALPA President Capt. John Prater appointed Capt. Clyde Romero and Capt. Jack Lawrence (both members of Council 41) to serve as trustees of Council 41.
 
The president instructed the trustees to fully represent the pilots of Council 41 in all matters pertaining to their membership in ALPA. The US Airways MEC will continue to make all decisions concerning the affairs of the US Airways pilots.
 
Although no hearing is required at the Executive Council level, the Council offered the three former officers the opportunity, which they declined, to make a presentation, either in person or by telephone. A full hearing before the Executive Board will be held within 30 days to formally consider the charges and allow the three former officers to present their views.
 
The Executive Council found that the three local council officers demonstrated a pattern of support for a rival union in the upcoming NMB representation election, including distributing anti-ALPA communications through ALPA channels and failing to provide necessary support for ALPA in connection with the NMB representation election.
 
The president asked the three former officers specifically to confirm that they support ALPA in the representation election, that they oppose USAPA in the representation election, and that they will urge the Local Council 41 members to vote for ALPA. None of them would make such statements.
 
Why now?
Simply put, the Council 41 officers have consistently failed to confirm their support for ALPA in the upcoming election. When asked by Capt. Prater, the three officers failed to say that they stood behind their union and support a pro-ALPA vote.
Last Friday, Capt. Prater sent the three Local Council 41 officers a “Notice of Charges and of Executive Council Meeting to Consider Charges Pursuant to Article XIX, Section 1.D.” The Notice was the basis for emergency corrective action in the form of a trusteeship as provided in Article XIX, Section 1.D of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws.
 
Capt. Prater requested the Local Council 41 officers send written statements to Vice-President Administration Capt. Bill Couette making clear their support for ALPA and opposition to USAPA in the NMB representation election, and their commitment to urge Local Council 41 pilots to vote for ALPA. While they did email a response to Capt. Couette, they failed to make the commitment to state their support for ALPA and against USAPA.
“Many of you have urged me to take this action for many months,” Prater wrote the Executive Board on Friday evening. “I had hoped that these three elected officers would stand up for their union. However, with the NMB representation election for US Airways pilots beginning on March 20, the stakes are too high for US Airways pilots—and the actions of these officers far too hurtful to our union—for me to delay further.”

The last hummel minority type situation trying to go against the majority.  Your last chance to be part of what you were not when USAPA was elected.  There is so many lethargic appeasement votes allowed one weak person, you have to stand up for once in your life.
 
Vote hummel out, keep Bradford in.

 

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Remember when the company said they could go ahead with the merger with out the East pilots blessings,  that was false.  Did the APA pilots stand up for you then, no.  They will continue to do what doug says to save their sorry behinds in the future. 
 
doug likes hummel, did the British llike Washington and Franklin?

 

[traderjake]

How true, the west pilots have given so much up, upgrades, wide bodies, and all the wasted money, I guess they enjoy stagnation,what ashame.

 
Your concern for the welfare of West pilots making me misty-eyed.

 

[luvthe9]

Your concern for the welfare of West pilots making me misty-eyed.

As yours is for the east pilots, it was their choice.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Your concern for the welfare of West pilots making me misty-eyed.

 
 
I'm Ok with just leaving such to you....But..Aww....Heck!...Have some fresh tissues for your tender eyes anyway, and need some new, westie-"worshipping" knee-pads?...You've been wearing them out for years now....? 😉 Perhaps some Chapstick or at least Vaseline to boot? 🙂
 
So..After all your expressed arrogance/backstabbing of fellows/etc, ad nauseum: You're just some pathetic, little wimp, and no chance of even the scrutinized IQ test wager?..."Genius"?...No? You're a supposedly savvy "trader", (you must thank God for dad's money, lest you would starve methinks) and thus presumably, a "man" of the "mind"...? Sigh!...No matter.  DO feel perfectly free to now consider "you'se" self as pathetically, nothing more than an "honorary"...umm.."spartan"...You know? = Entirely Fantasyland BS, and absurdly inadequate impersonations of "people", without the slightest possible, personal backup for supposedly being even that much?...Not that Fantasyland's any at all strange region to you..."LT Hardy". 🙂
 
If you've any further "lip" to offer in response?: We've your choice between the wagered Flying or IQ testing..? You pick. I can't honestly imagine you being anything even approaching a worthy opponent on either. 🙂

 

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"USAPA Merger Committee
 
At the request of APA, the three parties to the MOU (USAPA, APA, and the Company) agreed last week to an extension of 30 days to complete the Protocol Agreement.  This extension is only for completion of the Protocol Agreement and does not affect the rest of the seniority integration timetable.  The additional time will allow the parties to complete the process without the pressure of an artificial time constraint and adjusts the schedule to allow for the fact that much of the original 30-day period fell over the holiday season.  The additional time may also allow various legal and political issues to resolve themselves so USAPA and APA can focus on the negotiations and put the process back on track.
 
As we previously stated, your USAPA Merger Committee is committed to negotiating only with the parties to the MOU.  The goal of the USAPA Merger Committee is to reach a fair and equitable Seniority List Integration (SLI) that best serves the interests of ALL US Airways pilots.  The entire Committee, both East and West members, are in agreement that this is the most effective way of representing our pilots.
 
We are also waiting for a response from the Company to the grievance filed last week concerning the Company’s violation of the MOU by negotiating with a non-MOU party regarding the SLI and by failing and refusing to provide the Merger Committee with information necessary for it to effectively represent our pilots.  The grievance (MTA #2) is posted in the Grievance Library and our most recent letter to the Company is posted here.  We have asked for an expedited hearing (January 13-15) on the issues and will keep you informed of developments.
 
Our legal team will be responding shortly to a “Notice of Events” filed by the litigants in Addington II and the response will be posted on the USAPA website.  The only legal merger committees that exist under the MOU and McCaskill-Bond process are the USAPA and APA merger committees.  The MOU clearly defines the parties and the process.  USAPA and the USAPA Merger Committee will vigorously oppose any attempt to either undermine USAPA’s status as the exclusive bargaining representative for US Airways pilots or to weaken our position in the SLI process by dividing our pilot group.
 
USAPA Merger Committee"

 

[EastUS1]

I see "you'se" lurking Res. Before "you'se" even feebly attempt any response Res, did "you'se" miss: Did I not mention that "you'se"..umm.."spartans" just plain bore me to tears? Put something up personally or just shut up. I'm gettin' too old to always indulge idiotic children, or at all suffer fools gladly.  PM if you ever grow a pair/a spine/etc..otherwise?....Ask your mommy/daddy for approval for your gross inadequacies as even the slightest semblance of a human being. I'm light-years past completely bored with "you'se" pathetic widdle "spartans". 🙂 PM if interested. All mighty "spartans" welcome. "You'se" west rep cactusboy53: "This is Sparta!" and snapthis, the "tough cowboy" avatar are proven and well-demonstrated wimps. Be the first mighty "spartan" to even try to personally back up "you'se" pathetic BS...NO?....Why not? The only uppity "lip" I've seen tonight's from one of "you'se" little princesses, "Monkee"....Have "you'se" umm..."spartans" no semblance of even supposed "men" amongst your merry ranks?  The "toughest" umm..."men" among "you'se" are your women!? 😉
 
NO response?...OK then...back to being completely bored by "you'se" kids. PM for wager details IF (however unlikely) "you'se" ever wish to even impersonate a "man".
 
Oops! I almost forgot!..."Click to Donate" 🙂 http://www.cactuspilot.com/

 

[Phoenix]

 
APA wanted to merge with us but if they didn't were they going to disapear?
 
I think they can easily argue their stand alone career expectations vs ours'. 

 
 
You have never once, not ever, argued in favor of a position that strengthened the hand of the pilots of the seniority list on which, much too your own chagrin, you find yourself on.   Did you miss Unionism 101?  😀
 
Take heart, if you ever lose your job flying, you have a special, employable skill... Since you have such a propensity to immediately seek and find things others normally find less pleasant, you can be in charge of finding the fly shitte in pepper, salt in sugar, and used beer in new beer.   

 

[Phoenix]

.... You have worked with them for decades...

For how long?  
 
How long is the whole point of DOH/LOS is it not?   

 

[EastUS1]

 
Take heart, if you ever lose your job flying, you have a special, employable skill...

Agreed.  Well...I did some due dilligence and proper research there already = "Wanted. Self-loathing-deprecating white boy, without the slighest sense of personal or ethical worth. Must have imaging scans to prove the lack of any semblance of a spine.  Must prove the wholesale lack of any, EVER-earned sense of personal worth, and/or value. Must be able to at least try to tap dance. Must have experience with evidencing not the slightest semblance of cohesive or consistent, moral values, nor the least concern for his/her fellows. Must be able to either pretend to, or actually have an IQ that'd make even Forrest Gump feel proper sympathy for. Must be able to wallow in utter absurdity and wholesale oblivion as needed, and far past the point that ANY sentient beings would sanely require opposition against obvious foes. Must serve properly as a complete fool 24-7/365, and have not the slightest compunctions about selling out others. Those with personal issues that left their development atrophied in early childhood will be given preference. Must have NO actual life experience that could ever infringe on any fantasies. Must have NO ability to value or even ever estimate the worth of others' work. Established and fully trained, Village Idiots, with at least 4-5 years experience, will be given first interview consideration. Please fill out the forms for employment consideration at Obama'sCourtJester.org." 🙂
 
Trader's wasting his "talents" and umm.."morality" and certainly "intelligence" here. 😉

 

[Res Judicata]

I see "you'se" lurking Res. Before "you'se" even feebly attempt any response Res, did "you'se" miss: Did I not mention that "you'se"..umm.."spartans" just plain bore me to tears? Put something up personally or just shut up. I'm gettin' too old to always indulge idiotic children, or at all suffer fools gladly.  PM if you ever grow a pair/a spine/etc..otherwise?....Ask your mommy/daddy for approval for your gross inadequacies as even the slightest semblance of a human being. I'm light-years past completely bored with "you'se" pathetic widdle "spartans". 🙂 PM if interested. All mighty "spartans" welcome. "You'se" west rep cactusboy53: "This is Sparta!" and snapthis, the "tough cowboy" avatar are proven and well-demonstrated wimps. Be the first mighty "spartan" to even try to personally back up "you'se" pathetic BS...NO?....Why not? The only uppity "lip" I've seen tonight's from one of "you'se" little princesses, "Monkee"....Have "you'se" umm..."spartans" no semblance of even supposed "men" amongst your merry ranks?  The "toughest" umm..."men" among "you'se" are your women!? 😉
 
NO response?...OK then...back to being completely bored by "you'se" kids. PM for wager details IF (however unlikely) "you'se" ever wish to even impersonate a "man".
 
Oops! I almost forgot!..."Click to Donate" 🙂 http://www.cactuspilot.com/

You're "light years bored" with me yet beg for a PM. I hate to break it to you'se, but I'm a heterosexually married man with Zero interest in participating in your lifestyle. Couldn't care less about your orientation. Meaningless to me but I'm sensing you need to seek out a meeting Dale. Not lurking, perhaps just logged on somehow in cyber space. I spend about 10 minutes a day here to kick you idiotic scabs in the balls. That's it. I have a wife, (you know, a girl) a family and other pressing issues...like not over cooking dinner etc. You can take whatever wager you're contemplating and shove it up your pathetic, drunk, lonely, scab, asswhole.

You're beyond meaningless. FK off.... or don't. I do not care.

 

[Claxon]

You're "light years bored" with me yet beg for a PM. I hate to break it to you'se, but I'm a heterosexually married man with Zero interest in participating in your lifestyle. Couldn't care less about your orientation. Meaningless to me but I'm sensing you need to seek out a meeting Dale. Not lurking, perhaps just logged on somehow in cyber space. I spend about 10 minutes a day here to kick you idiotic scabs in the balls. That's it. I have a wife, (you know, a girl) a family and other pressing issues...like not over cooking dinner etc. You can take whatever wager you're contemplating and shove it up your pathetic, drunk, lonely, scab, asswhole.
You're beyond meaningless. FK off.... or don't. I do not care.

The FBI got this totally right.
Sounds just like his moronic letter back to them. Wondering why, and is there any doubt now on this forum? All one can ask now is who in america west let it through the door. Between the desire to kick teeth in and lower extremities, all one can say is psycho.

 

[Black Swan]

 
"USAPA Merger Committee
 
At the request of APA, the three parties to the MOU (USAPA, APA, and the Company) agreed last week to an extension of 30 days to complete the Protocol Agreement.  This extension is only for completion of the Protocol Agreement and does not affect the rest of the seniority integration timetable.  The additional time will allow the parties to complete the process without the pressure of an artificial time constraint and adjusts the schedule to allow for the fact that much of the original 30-day period fell over the holiday season.  The additional time may also allow various legal and political issues to resolve themselves so USAPA and APA can focus on the negotiations and put the process back on track.
 
As we previously stated, your USAPA Merger Committee is committed to negotiating only with the parties to the MOU.  The goal of the USAPA Merger Committee is to reach a fair and equitable Seniority List Integration (SLI) that best serves the interests of ALL US Airways pilots.  The entire Committee, both East and West members, are in agreement that this is the most effective way of representing our pilots.
 
We are also waiting for a response from the Company to the grievance filed last week concerning the Companys violation of the MOU by negotiating with a non-MOU party regarding the SLI and by failing and refusing to provide the Merger Committee with information necessary for it to effectively represent our pilots.  The grievance (MTA #2) is posted in the Grievance Library and our most recent letter to the Company is posted here.  We have asked for an expedited hearing (January 13-15) on the issues and will keep you informed of developments.
 
Our legal team will be responding shortly to a Notice of Events filed by the litigants in Addington II and the response will be posted on the USAPA website.  The only legal merger committees that exist under the MOU and McCaskill-Bond process are the USAPA and APA merger committees.  The MOU clearly defines the parties and the process.  USAPA and the USAPA Merger Committee will vigorously oppose any attempt to either undermine USAPAs status as the exclusive bargaining representative for US Airways pilots or to weaken our position in the SLI process by dividing our pilot group.
 
USAPA Merger Committee"

Good call by USAPA on not attending the first meeting. It was a setup where the company tried to get USAPA to voluntary meet with an unauthorized party to the MOU-The fabricated and mythical West Class.
Now that USAPA called them on it, they are going to have to back off a deal they knew had no status or legal footing. Parker and Siegal realize now that if they want their deal to fly, they need to abide by NMB protocol.

The fact the company is providing absolutely zero support to the mythical "West Class" speaks volumes.
Leonidas just had notice served Parker is walking. His bluff was called. He can tell his West pilots he tried, but.......

 

[Black Swan]

You're "light years bored" with me yet beg for a PM. I hate to break it to you'se, but I'm a heterosexually married man with Zero interest in participating in your lifestyle. Couldn't care less about your orientation. Meaningless to me but I'm sensing you need to seek out a meeting Dale. Not lurking, perhaps just logged on somehow in cyber space. I spend about 10 minutes a day here to kick you idiotic scabs in the balls. That's it. I have a wife, (you know, a girl) a family and other pressing issues...like not over cooking dinner etc. You can take whatever wager you're contemplating and shove it up your pathetic, drunk, lonely, scab, asswhole.
You're beyond meaningless. FK off.... or don't. I do not care.

You need help.

 

[traderjake]

Take heart, if you ever lose your job flying, you have a special, employable skill...

 
If I lose my flying job I plan on spending the bulk of my time on the couch posting emoticon laced messages on an anonymous webboard.