2014 Pilot Discussion

[Metroyet]

Exactly. That is why you voted in favor of "a merger with American, according to the terms of the MOU.  Sincerely, Leonidas LLC"  Consider yourself lucky that you only find 2% of it to be less than your ideal.  😀

Illegal is illegal. Take the bird in hand, and sue for the obvious DFR later. The 9th required a ratified contract to proceed. You got one. Did you really think you were going to be able to play stupid with some kind of shell game and slip DOH past anyone's attention? Btw, the "terms" of the MOU as explained to the West by their own legal counsel turned out to be a bald faced lie. See. That's a problem. He could have taken the stand to explain but thought it was smarter to not do that. Kinda suspicious, no?

 

[Phoenix]

 
What do you think the odds of arbitration are?
 
I say 80%.

 
 
If Silver orders separate bargaining agent status for the plaintiffs, it is obviously 100%, assuming the bargaining-arbitration timeline occurs faster than further court intervention.  If Silver does not grant them separate bargaining agent status then the grand, self-professed USAPA "players" will probably be able to snooker APA into giving up their 777's without any fences.   Their donations website is still soliciting funds! 
 
http://votenorecall.org  If you feel guilt for not sending money before the recall, its not too late to absolve your conscience of not participating in our good work!
 
 

 

[nycbusdriver]

U2

You idiot.  I'm north of 200 on the seniority list...DOH or Nic.
 
I never pass ride.
 
About 930 days to go.
 
Why, you m**** (rhymes with Enron), would I need CIRP?
 
I do think they will be referring you to a shrink right off the bat, though.

 

[Phoenix]

Illegal is illegal. Take the bird in hand, and sue for the obvious DFR later. The 9th required a ratified contract to proceed. You got one. Did you really think you were going to be able to play stupid with some kind of shell game and slip DOH past anyone's attention? Btw, the "terms" of the MOU as explained to the West by their own legal counsel turned out to be a bald faced lie. See. That's a problem. He could have taken the stand to explain but thought it was smarter to not do that. Kinda suspicious, no?

 
You keep shouting that the West pilots were imbeciles, unable to read paragraph 4 of the MOU, or paragraph 10 of the MOU.  Your Leonidas Leaders exchanged emails saying that Marty was dead wrong.  They knew the MOU nullified the 2005 TA, and your leaders recommended you vote for the MOU if you wanted to see a merger with American according to the terms of the MOU. 
 
It is never illegal to negotiate a new contract to replace a current contract.  That is why the Leonidas LLC recommended you vote for what you want "according to the terms of the MOU."   You guys paid millions of dollars and that is the best your "leaders" could advise.  
 
If you were not such self professed imbeciles you could have given yourself that advice for free.  You chose a new contract to replace an old contract.   Integrity matters.   🙂

 

[nycbusdriver]

I can't wait to see the reaction on the MB arbitration panel when USAPA boycotts the meeting because the West Merger Committe is there.

 
What "west merger committee"?  Aside from the fact that such a thing is probably illegal on its face, who exactly elected/appointed that committee?  Did I miss seeing the westicles ballotted, or are they simply a bunch of AOL weenies who have appointed themselves leaders.  Was there an election for the eadership of AOL?
 
Put that "west merger committee" in any position to bargain and the lawsuits will fly for decades.  If I was a west pilot, I would be screaming bloody murder over not having a vote on any of this, and I would be forming my own LLC to sue US Airways, USAPA, APA and AOL.

 

[dca319]

Sounds like Hummel has started cleaning house.

Ciabatoni is out.

 

[traderjake]

 
What "west merger committee"?

 
The West Merger Committee that APA and the company met with sans USAPA. 
 
By the way, an arbitration is not a negotiation.
 
God forbid the West gets the opportunity to present it's case in front of a neutral third party (again).

 

[nycbusdriver]

Sounds like Hummel has started cleaning house.

Ciabatoni is out.

 
That's a mistake.

 

[snapthis]

 FU

Hey hypocrite, yea you.

Take your own advice when you lecture pass travelers about giving up DOH when you don't have the integrity to do the same when you evaded binding arbitration.

Xoxo

 

[Black Swan]

What do you think the odds of arbitration are?
 
I say 80%.

How many American mergers ever went to arbitration? As far as I know, zero.
I expect the APA to continue to avoid arbitration just as they have before.

 

[Black Swan]

The West Merger Committee that APA and the company met with sans USAPA. 
 
By the way, an arbitration is not a negotiation.
 
God forbid the West gets the opportunity to present it's case in front of a neutral third party (again).

It most certainly is. Up to the point an arbitrator feels the parties cannot reach consensus through negotiations or prodding.

 

[Phoenix]

 
That's a mistake.

 
 
Hypothetically, If a president were to appoint his main advocate and donations solicitor to the ballot certification committee in a recall referendum calling for his own recall, then I suppose it is hard to imagine a mistake beyond the expansive reach of his new "mooring", so to speak.   Not that anything unscrupulous occurred, just that competence would have been shrewd enough to protect all appearances (seriously, was the prime solicitor of dubious fund raising the only person able to be the new ballot certification member... no one else in all of USAPA's  members in good standing would have been more seemly?  Not even UHaul?)  By the time this is all over I just hope we don't all look back on the glorious good days of John Prater and Duane Worth. 

 

[dca319]

 
That's a mistake.

More to come.

 

[traderjake]

It most certainly is. Up to the point an arbitrator feels the parties cannot reach consensus through negotiations or prodding.

 
I see you haven't learned anything from the Nicolau Arbitration.

 

[Phoenix]

More to come.

 
Cleansing?  More cleansing?  Never.  Integrity matters.  😉
 
Fellow Pilots,
Now that the recall election is over, it’s time to get back to business. The Officers, BPR, and our USAPA committees will continue working together to ensure we meet our goals for the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement and the seniority list integration.
Thank you all for your support. We have much to do. We as a union will be more effective if we all work together to get it done.
Regards,

Gary Hummel, President