2014 Pilot Discussion

[ROACLT]

Dicta: "And when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

Order: "Accordingly,
IT IS ORDERED the Motion for Preliminary Injunction (Doc. 13) is DENIED AS MOOT.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Motions for Summary Judgment (Docs. 211, 212) are DENIED.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Motion for Directed Verdict (Doc. 239) is DENIED.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Motion to Include Declaration of Gary Hummel (Doc. 256) is DENIED.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Motion to Strike (Doc. 257) is GRANTED IN PART AND DENIED IN PART. Mr. Hummel's declaration, and the portions of subsequent filings that cite to it, are STRICKEN but it is not necessary to strike USAPA's motion (Doc. 256).
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Motion to Strike (Doc. 283) is DENIED.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Motion For Injunction (Doc. 297) is DENIED AS MOOT.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court is directed to enter judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, a judgment in favor of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on Count III.

DATED this 10th day of January, 2014."

That is all. Return your seats to their upright and locked positions.

Dicta

Opinions of a judge that do not embody the resolution or determination of the specific case before the court. Expressions in a court's opinion that go beyond the facts before the court and therefore are individual views of the author of the opinion and not binding in subsequent cases as legal precedent.

 

[EastUS1]

She may have been writing to give some cover to west lawyers. Lawsuits abound.

 
Whatever would our glorious land of litigation do without them? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
Its a terrible shame how much money and effort went to funding this excursion.  

 
Indeed. What a sorry waste of feelings and funds, all of which could've been FAR better employed elsewhere.
 
What will be of most interest to me, is what bizarre flavoring of all subsequently attempted spin and additional "Click to Donate" efforts will necessarilly have.  Well that, and to see how much, if any, it's even possible to ratchet up the "righteous", "heroic" and "certain" outcomes of "justice" through fantasized "integrity", "the rest of the world knows" notions, etc, ad nauseum.

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
The West will never get any return on their investment. 

 
Oh, I dunno. One can't properly underestimate the true value of a "spartan" tie tac/pledge-pin/whatever, I suppose.

 

[EastUS1]

To Bean and any other moderate west pilots, I say , we should of talked this out long ago. 
 

 
Indeed. Aww...what do I know? My initial notions to west posters, immediately post-nic, were: "Umm...Guys/Gals...this nic thing isn't going to really work. Can we talk?"
The instantly received west responses were on the direct order of: "Final and Binding!..It's OVER!..Get used to it!"/etc...And who can ever forget their later: "You won't even get 200 cards!...Send the cards, I DARE you!"...?
 
Seperate issue: My understanding is that Hummel retained his position by little more than 30+ votes, with a great many that didn't even bother to vote. What's done is done.

 

[Phoenix]

 
Oh, I dunno. One can't properly underestimate the true value of a "spartan" tie tac/pledge-pin/whatever, I suppose.

 
 
Important pins, sir.  Like medals from the great war...  All wars are not the same but to every man that was in whatever war he fought in... well the badges he got form it are important, especially if he gave a lot.  It was a noble fight.  
 
The tide has reversed for a period of nostalgia and peace.  

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
Important pins, sir.  Like medals from the great war...  All wars are not the same but to every man that was in whatever war he fought in... well the badges he got form it are important, especially if he gave a lot.  It was a noble fight.  

 
I can't speak to that, since the only one I've ever pulled outtta' a dusty drawer, and that purely for purposes of mutual laughter, was the Saudis' issuance of something with literally a frikkin' palm tree and crossed scimitars on it!....You just can't make this kinda' stuff up, and was always much-dissapointed that the Kuwaiti's never issued what I'd envisioned to be their most glorious "military honor", something along the lines of the "Kuwaiti Codpiece", an imagined edifice impersonating an oil derrick, and set with dangling dates or camel dung as elements for best artistic and "martial" effect. 🙂 I'll leave any/all "I love me" walls to others feeling the need for such, and it's certain the mighty "spartans", with their thwarted, but finest efforts at "heroic"...umm..."All out Warfare", must be in dire (wolf?) need of such now. Hmm...You're right; the "Integrity Matters" T-shirts will fade in time, but those tie tacks and badge-backers will doubltess, comfort them greatly. 🙂

 

[Keroseneuser]

Wow, must be a record....No west poster since about 7 pm eastern.      Bueller?.......Bueller?

 

[EastUS1]

Wow, must be a record....No west poster since about 7 pm eastern.      Bueller?.......Bueller?

 
With confessedly equal "guilt"...well...we're just pickin' on 'em now Brother. 😉 I'd reasonably suspect that nearly universal shock's currently in play amongst the most...umm..."heartfelt"...err..."spartans". 🙂

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Wow, must be a record....No west poster since about 7 pm eastern.      Bueller?.......Bueller?

New update. They are busy raising funds.

http://www.cactuspilot.com/

 

[EastUS1]

New update. They are busy raising funds.

http://www.cactuspilot.com/

 
"Unfortunately, the Court did not grant us the relief requested,.." Umm...Err...Well: "We will provide a more detailed update after we have more thoroughly analyzed today's order."...and figured out our best attempt to keep "you'se" apparent morons properly sedated while we request yet more cash, BUT..."Click to Donate" anyway SUCKERS...umm...PLEASE!?....? Have we ever steered "you'se" wrong, and promised you completely Fantasyland BS that we "spartans" never had any realistic chance of actually, ever delivering?...Well..Besides ALWAYS? 🙂 Don't forget Wake!!....Ignore the 9th Circuit!...Which even David Braid, one of our foremost "knights", had termed "a massive display of legal authority".  ignore the Village Idiot/"spartan king"/"Supreme Commander" of our pathtetic little, self-styled "army"/slick-haired-snake-oil-salesman/"man-behind-the-curtain", and just trust us for merely a few more million! 😉 TRUST US! We'll even make up more "spartan", "tough-guy" pins, if it'll help! Heck! Even as we speak; we're working on more "rewards" for those who donate the most to us, "you'se" little LLC, that won't even let "you'se" look at our financial books! Previously prosecuted Ponzi schemes have often afforded at least their earliest investors superior returns.
 
One must necessarilly, just laugh. 🙂

 

[algflyr]

Silver RULED that USAPA will NOT be allowed to participate in the SLI once the NMB certifies APA as the bargaining unit?? LMFAO. That's not at all what she said... But be sure to send in more money!!! AOL is trying to get as much as they can to pay off the debt that is currently due... I think they will fall short... donations are probably drying up right about now... just sayin... 🙂

 

[algflyr]

 
"Unfortunately, the Court did not grant us the relief requested,.." Umm...Err...Well: "We will provide a more detailed update after we have more thoroughly analyzed today's order."...and figured out our best attempt to keep "you'se" apparent morons properly sedated while we request yet more cash, BUT..."Click to Donate" anyway SUCKERS...umm...PLEASE!?....? Have we ever steered "you'se" wrong, and promised you completely Fantasyland BS that we "spartans" never had any realistic chance of actually, ever delivering?...Well..Besides ALWAYS? 🙂 Don't forget Wake!!....Ignore the 9th Circuit!...Which even David Braid, one of our foremost "knights", had termed "a massive display of legal authority".  ignore the Village Idiot/"spartan king"/"Supreme Commander" of our pathtetic little, self-styled "army"/slick-haired-snake-oil-salesman/"man-behind-the-curtain", and just trust us for merely a few more million! 😉 TRUST US! We'll even make up more "spartan", "tough-guy" pins, if it'll help! Heck! Even as we speak; we're working on more "rewards" for those who donate the most to us, "you'se" little LLC, that won't even let "you'se" look at our financial books! 
 
One must necessarilly, just laugh. 🙂

 
 
Maybe they are going to go Israeli on us... 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Silver RULED that USAPA will NOT be allowed to participate in the SLI once the NMB certifies APA as the bargaining unit?? LMFAO. That's not at all what she said... But be sure to send in more money!!!

 
No matter. This is being played to a group who's sole "defense" against the terminology of the MOU is one of supposed, wholesale illiteracy. 🙂 These people are of the "calber" that claims being completely misled and easilly duped during roadshows/etc, claim even their own lawyers  incapable of any clue, and who pretend to being (or perhaps actually are) unable to individually even be able to READ, much less THINK, and thus?...Well...are the proper victims of such complete fools as they've chosen to mindlessly follow for years now. Bottom Line? Any that didn't/couldn't readilly read their "leadership" as obviously being infantile halfwits had to be such themselves.
 
A suggested life-hint/hack for all "spartans": If/whenever in life, some greasy little jerkov ever self-styles it's-self as a "Supreme Commander", and tells "you'se" that you're inherently filled with "Integrity" and of the race of heroic, but just entirely self-styled, magically supposed "spartans"....RUN!...Do not question whatever small reserves of rational "thought" "you'se" may have available within even such tiny and clearly inadequate excuses for "minds".
 
Don't mind me "spartans"....Just "Click to Donate" 🙂

 

[Keroseneuser]

I noticed that also, as did several others a few posts back.   Tweak the vocabulary a bit and omit certain phrases to make sending more money seem a bit more palatable.
 
I would place the chance of success of any future efforts at about the same rate as the guys still sending money to lawyers to try to get the pension restored.
 
No matter how low the chance of success, as long as a lawyer has a stream of cash coming in to support his yacht,  he/she will continue to litigate.