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AWE Dog said:
Do you understand that a arbitrator doesn't care about anything in your post?
That has to be one of the funniest things i've heard in a while. Since when did you become pro arbitration?

Bean
 
What does 767 Jetzz have to input about the precarious situation Leonidas has put the west pilots in? He cheered them on, right up to the point he went to the bottom of the UAL list.
He himself was inserted in a position on the UAL list where he will be looking at the posteriors of 12 thousand others.
 
Beancounter said:
Yes, i'm afraid you're right. There is no fence sitting or extended hands of truce, lest your hand get chopped off. Well if there is one good thing USAPA has been good at in the past it's been attacking the west and uniting it. Well, that and over reaching. Oh well, looks like we may be back to the old tactics.Bean

You have got to be sm....
Even cleary flew to DFW to talk to Ferguson and Ferguson said no its the nic....
You guys have lost so I guess you should get over it...
Ived moved up 20 percentile in one year... east attrition enjoyed by east pilots.
 
Beancounter said:
Why should i feel bad? My friends on the east have been messaging me about all the movement and new hires. Oh wait, you want to put all the new hires after the AA/US snap shot above me too? Wow, that's some incredible union representation there.Bean
Your group wanted to screw us until the cows came home. So sorry I dont feel any sympathy.
 
It is hard to believe that the west pilots allowed their leader to be ferguson.  He was in new hire ground school when the merger took place.  He only had his best interests in mind the whole time. He wanted to be a real major, respected airline pilot overnight.  It well never happen for him or others that fell for it, they will always be former west pilots.
 
Did you west pilots not sense this watching his videos?  Look at koontz, he looks weird.  No sympathy from me.
 
http://www.fergusonforpresident.com/index-7.html
 
john prater, continental pilot and former president of the airline pilots association, is a lot like ferguson.  continental airlines was well known as a scab pilot outfit.  They have the most scabs by far of any other airline to date besides united.  Many pilots crossed the picket line at continental.
 
prater wanted to be a respected airline pilot so he lead the pilots back to alpa, became president and forgave the scabs.  He tried to set up the US Airways original pilots in a scam nicolau arbitration so when he merged with united and then US Airways he would get his.
 
Nice try former alpa president prater and your former alpa vp rice, you will never get the egg off your face.
 
 
                                                                                                                dob                       DOH                LOS
   sen USAPA/awa
    6347 1619         P29newbie  FERGUSON E   FO A320 PHX           11/13/early 70's                     11/17/03              1.5
     6416 1687        P29yhtbfkm   VASIN M           FO  B737 PHX              05/12/early  70's                   03/29/04            1.1
    4875 1283         P250hoh                 KOONTZ J FO B737 PHX                  08/28/60end                   12/06/99           5.5
    4585 1068         P29nicetry          MCILVENNA J CA A320 LAS               11/23/6#                              07/28/98          6.8
    4496 979           Peedon               ADDINGTON D CA B737 PHX             03/16/6#                              12/01/97           7.5
 
 
 
"I guess If you refuse not to participate, we will have to carry on on our own."     Scott Theuer, one of the USAPA founders.
"We will not pay dues."   naive west pilots.
 
USAPA founders, they deserve all the credit preserving tenure in the airline industry for the future .  They tried to tell you but you did not listen america west pilots.
 
In the following america west pilot produced video USAPA tried to tell it like it is, the west pilots in the audience were angry at the information they needed to know.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3-G7awYch0
 
Claxon said:
"We will not pay dues."   naive west pilots.
 
USAPA founders, they deserve all the credit preserving tenure in the airline industry for the future .  They tried to tell you but you did not listen america west pilots.
 
In the following america west pilot produced video USAPA tried to tell it like it is, the west pilots in the audience were angry at the information they needed to know.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3-G7awYch0
 
I hadn't seen that video.  Quite astonishing that the USAPA people stayed even that long in that cage of dumb animals.
 
Now, after a few years of history it's funny to know the answers to the questions they were asking back then.  "If we refuse to pay dues, do you think Parker will fire us?"  History shows, the answer is "Yes."
 
"Do you really think Parker will send 1800 pilots to the street for not paying dues?"  History shows that such a scenario would never be necessary.  Just fire the first few, and the rest will send their dues money pronto.
 
"What's your plan if we decide not to participate?"  History shows...we will leave you in the dust (which is appropriate, since the sandbox is pretty dusty.)
 
They've been wrong on everything.
 
Claxon said:
"We will not pay dues."   naive west pilots.
 
USAPA founders, they deserve all the credit preserving tenure in the airline industry for the future .  They tried to tell you but you did not listen america west pilots.
 
In the following america west pilot produced video USAPA tried to tell it like it is, the west pilots in the audience were angry at the information they needed to know.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3-G7awYch0
Wow, such arrogance, DOH then would have assured them a nice career, geez new hires into a wide body slot, not too shabby. WAKE UP WESTIES!!!!! Some of my APA buddies have seen some of these videos and just can't believe what they are seeing.
 
luvthe9 said:
Wow, such arrogance, DOH then would have assured them a nice career, geez new hires into a wide body slot, not too shabby. WAKE UP WESTIES!!!!! Some of my APA buddies have seen some of these videos and just can't believe what they are seeing.
It is too late for the west, they had their chance.  USAPA and APA will agree on a list with conditions, restrictions and fences, neither will allow their fate to go to actual, federal law, arbitration. 
 
The only group of pilots that will not like it are the ones that are fenced in to the pig pen they brought to the dance, the west pilots.
 
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