This place stinks of hypocrisy and beer. Meanwhile, the debate goes on outside your little party. Outside of the bar, I don't see much sympathy for Usapians. Just disgust.
So....it's OK to place East furloughees ahead of West pilots who had a job in 2005, yet worry about being placed below AA furloughs. Try telling a West pilot furloughed after the merger only to see East furloughees return to the property he held a lottery ticket. Since when was a lottery ticket a pinkslip?
How convenient....If I were AA, I would not trust an Usapian by no means. They are as sick as they come.
Meanwhile, the debate rages on in cyberspace:
The Drizzle
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 310
We will be sold, if at all possible, to get back the lost years of those before us. With USAPAs deft skills I imagine I'll wind up below AA furloughs who had less time on property than I do at US.
SilverandSore
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: FO
I've pretty much expected that, my personal theory is that USAPA and APA want to give furlough credits to each other to put both of them further up the list in regards to the west (Phx) guys. A little pat on the back and boom son, there you are!
ShyGuy
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: A Bus Driver
Posts: 2,980
You should ask USAPA that question. Funny how this argument is being used now that it's AA and US. Back when the same thing in reverse was true for US Airways (carrier with pilot layoffs and carrier bankrupt twice) versus working for a carrier making a little money and moving up the seniority list (AWA).... well the Nic was "unfair"
ShyGuy
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: A Bus Driver
Posts: 2,980
The irony is rich here. Same could be said for AWA guys back in 2005, with their quick movement and upgrades versus US Airway's junior late '80s DOH Captains. Nicolau slotted them accordingly. How'd that work out? Nic slotted some 2000+ DOH AWA guys with US guys hired in the early 90s. US East screamed bloody murder and rejected the Nic, threw out ALPA, and voted in USAPA to keep Nic off property. Now you want a favorable slotting against AA?
Now that the table is turned, it's ironic to hear the change in tune that was the basis for establishing USAPA and kicking out the Nic award. Before the arbitrator looks at that he's going to be scratching his head when you present a East list and a West list. Career expectation cuts both ways. One could argue LOA93 would have continued until enough East retired to bring the numbers of AWA+US-newhires to outnumber original East. Maybe then they could have voted out USAPA.
morecowbell
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 3
You've got to be kidding me. I'm not sure who you are or what gear your pulling, but that was why the Arbitrator came up with the NIC like he did. USAIR was dead....days from DEAD. NO CAREER EXPECTATIONS. SCUMBAGS. Yet all those east that were furloughed eventually got to come back while the "west stagnated and actually furloughed west pilots. So I hope to god your not a 3rd lister....
eaglefly
Hysterical with worry
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Face forward/Sphincter shut
Posts: 3,671
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingairip
You insult USAPA, as you like to do (they're an easy target after all), but what he's arguing for is exactly what got USAPA so hissed off. (Stapled furloughs, that is...among other things, of course.) So, I fixed it for you...no charge!
My statement wasn't about what ONE arbitration provided, but about whether what he's demanding is standard in ALL. It isn't. The Usapian leadership demanded a lot more than that one issue though, they wanted it ALL. They refused to negotiate off their gauntlet of demands and arrogantly expected an arbitrator to reward their intransigence.
They were wrong. No matter........on USAPA there's always a way and an opportunity to renig on what you agreed to and it's happening all over again with APA and the MOU. The Usapians have scooted back to USAPA in their saucers and are hard at work as we speak attempting to creatively reinterpret the MOU USAPA-style.
I'm sure when they scoot back down to Earth to file their request for injunction with the court, it will be a hoot to read the specifics. In the mean time, we should keep a watchful eye to the starry night sky looking for the tell-tale glow of their saucers so we can get warning of when that will occur.
