2014 Pilot Discussion

[Beancounter]

Bingo!! But might not be to late for the west to join in, they still might be able to join in the growth unlike the stagnation that has been bestowed upon them by Ferguson and Koontz. We know the senior folks are fed up with AOL, we will see.

Why would our senior guys be fed up? DOH would have hurt them the worst. If this gets drug in to a relative seniority do over, they'll be sitting pretty. Will i be harmed? Yeah, it's a possibility, but at least we will have kept the entire west group from getting stapled.

Bean

 

[luvthe9]

Why would our senior guys be fed up? DOH would have hurt them the worst. If this gets drug in to a relative seniority do over, they'll be sitting pretty. Will i be harmed? Yeah, it's a possibility, but at least we will have kept the entire west group from getting stapled.
Bean

Your top 200 or so could hold widebody slots, we do have 83 DOH in the left seat. I think AWA started sometime in mid 83, they are losing out because of AOL. You guys better wake up, DOH is not stapling . You should feel lucky you were not TWA or AIR TRAN.

 

[Beancounter]

Your top 200 or so could hold widebody slots, we do have 83 DOH in the left seat. I think AWA started sometime in mid 83, they are losing out because of AOL. You guys better wake up, DOH is not stapling .

I haven't heard any of them lament over DOH. Besides, APA is the one you need to convince what a great deal DOH is for them, it appears they may get total control. Don't forget to mention, "gold standard," and make sure they know you're not in favor of it because it will shoot you to the top of the list. Good luck.

Bean

 

[luvthe9]

I haven't heard any of them lament over DOH. Besides, APA is the one you need to convince what a great deal DOH is for them, it appears they may get total control. Don't forget to mention, "gold standard," and make sure they know you're not in favor of it because it will shoot you to the top of the list. Good luck.
Bean

Most AA pilots I have had on the jumpseat are alright with DOH along with protecting their wide body flying which we have no right to and C & R, granted most of the had 20 yrs plus. They realize the attrition rate will be great.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Bingo!! But might not be to late for the west to join in, they still might be able to join in the growth unlike the stagnation that has been bestowed upon them by Ferguson and Koontz.

That ship has long since sailed. We already know PHX is headed for a 24% reduction. Once the joint certificate arrives, even more complex shifting of flying for the New American amongst all the additional hubs and fleets.

Why on Earth would they start down that path with the East/West just to undo it later ?

Keep in mind the defunct TA allowed, yet required, a joint bid within 12 months. And, we run our bids out an additional 4 before the effective date: 16 total.

I see no such stipulation for the New American to hold a joint bid at ANY time post joint certificate in the MOU. If they needed a year for 5500 pilots how much longer for 15,000?

No, I think the West is in for another 3 or even 4 years on the sidelines. Better start unwinding the Nic money clock as the ship sails further off into the sunset.

Those crew meals stink btw.

 

[Beancounter]

Most AA pilots I have had on the jumpseat are alright with DOH along with protecting their wide body flying which we have no right to and C & R, granted most of the had 20 yrs plus. They realize the attrition rate will be great.

I'd be hesitant to get a pulse off the pilot group by talking to pilots on YOUR jumpseat. I was mentored in aviation by an American pilot and know AA pilots well enough that they flew in for my wedding. That's not the message i'm getting and they're very senior.

Bean

 

[Pi brat]

If I recall correctly I said $ 1.6 billion. Won't bother showing you the math, but I was correct and the fear of that number kept the company from giving uscaba the time of day.

Turns out, the conservative estimate of what the SCABs have cost this pilot group is $ 875 million in just lost wages.

So, what we have now is a scab union about to be shown the door, and per Silver's order will cease all SLI integration participation upon decertification.

We will head into a MB integration where arbitration is almost a certainty. In that arbitration the list used for the LCC pilots will be the Nic, once it is pointed out to the arbitration panel that combination of the SCABs/West would be illegal per MB, that the SCAB union was never able to negotiate any other list for LCC, and that the company testified half a dozen times under oath that the Nic is the status quo at LCC.

Then, all LCC pilots in Nic order will be integrated with the APA pilots at a huge disadvantage because of the $ 1.6 BILLION in contract improvements the LCC pilots obtained as a direct result of the APA and not the SCAB union.


Here is your prediction for ya...APA certified as bargaining rep March 17, 2014.

First SCAB initiated lawsuit within days.

RICO lawsuit filed against former SCAB union leaders within a week of BPR refusing to return dues collected to membership.

I'm not talking about what might have been lost. You predicted USAPA paying the west pilots damages, did you not?
 
People like you have damaged the west pilots much more than any other group or entity,

 

[Beancounter]

Most AA pilots I have had on the jumpseat are alright with DOH along with protecting their wide body flying which we have no right to and C & R, granted most of the had 20 yrs plus. They realize the attrition rate will be great.

 
 

I'd be hesitant to get a pulse off the pilot group by talking to pilots on YOUR jumpseat. I was mentored in aviation by an American pilot and know AA pilots well enough that they flew in for my wedding. That's not the message i'm getting and they're very senior.

Bean

I should add that the part you mentioned about protecting the widebodies is consistent with what I hear, fences.
 
Bean

 

[EastUS1]

If I recall correctly I said $ 1.6 billion. Won't bother showing you the math, but I was correct........

 
B.S. Your exact quote regarding that was "billions in damages", but no matter, as it was every bit as much pure Fantasyland nonsense as we've come to expect over the years...and rotsa' ruck with whatever of the same "you'se" are still (and amazingly) nurturing. Before offering such wholesale lies up; you would do well to first review your own posting history.

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
I should add that the part you mentioned about protecting the widebodies is consistent with what I hear, fences.
 
Bean

 
A true pity your folks "bring" nothing of the sort then, yet imagine any potentially future arbitration to be some sort of caring and giving old uncle. 😉
 
What amazes me most is the evidenced west fantasy that the APA's magically going to hand anyone the nic, which would serve against the interests of their own people on so many levels that only the dimmest of bulbs could possibly miss that. What's truly astonishing is that said "bulbs" can even be found! They've not the slightest reasons for now even concerning themselves with litigation from AOL. The APA's merely indulging in a completely predictable power-grab effort, and an attempted usurpation of the MB process, by way of some idiotic single line of dicta that attempts the same. They'd love nothing more than to staple the whole US contingent under their lowliest member, ala TWA, if they could find a way to do so. To even imagine otherwise is to willfully ride pretty unicorns under rainbows....or try to.
 
No personal offence meant Bean, as I've no conversational history to reference that at all paints you as some childish and clueless "spartan", by any means, nor do I even imply that you're now advancing images of unicorns and rainbows. With some of your fellows here?...Well/etc. Take just prechill's Tiny Tim impersonation: "I'm sure the APA will be fair to us all"/God Bless us, every one....Seriously!? 😉

 

[cltrat]

East there was a west poster several pages back who pretty much hoped the east got stapled, no word on where the hell he/she thought they would be if that happened.

 

[EastUS1]

East there was a west poster several pages back who pretty much hoped the east got stapled, no word on where the hell he/she thought they would be if that happened.

 
Well sir, I'd think that axiomatic. The only possible scenario necessarily involves the east side being stapled to the bottom, but the APA hosting a full-fledged Carnivale for the mighty "spartans", and, as it'd go without saying; elevating them all to immediate captain seats, without even the slightest regards towards their/APA's very own,etc! Sigh!...Words sometimes just fail me here. 😉

 

[cltrat]

Well sir, I'd think that axiomatic. The only possible scenario necessarily involves the east side being stapled to the bottom, but the APA hosting a full-fledged Carnivale for the mighty "spartans", and, as it'd go without saying; elevating them all to immediate captain seats, without even the slightest regards towards their/APA's very own,etc! Sigh!...Words sometimes just fail me here. 😉

I'm still waiting to go into the cockpit of a 330 and speak to Capt Dire wolf
and F.O. Spartan

 

[EastUS1]

Writing a check to AOL is not difficult at all.

 
That's good news indeed. I'd strongly suggest that you start with at least the requested $10,000 and immediately afterwards, sign over all "you'se" wordly goods in total to such a noble cause, and of course; the inevitable triumph of the "spartans" and the nic. "You'se", after all, ARE a True Believer...?...And are there not "billions in damages" soon to be had? 🙂 Don't forget that "This is sparta!"....? 😉
 
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[EastUS1]

I'm still waiting to go into the cockpit of a 330 and speak to Capt Dire wolf
and F.O. Spartan

 
Hmm...We'd perhaps best first await the latest "T-minus" countdown clock, to ensure that such searches wouldn't be but wasted time. 😉
 
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