2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

We know you mean two lists.

 
The APA list and the Nicolau Award?
 
You're giving up after all this time?

 

[luvthe9]

The APA list and the Nicolau Award?
 
You're giving up after all this time?

Confused as always, APA list and USAir list.

 

[traderjake]

Confused as always, APA list and USAir list.

 
Prepare yourself for another Kasher size disapointment if the think USAPA is going to make up it's own single list.

 

[snapthis]

Confused as always, APA list and USAir list.

What is an USAir list?
 
"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."
 
Nobody is going touch it.

 

[traderjake]

Nobody is going touch it.

 
luv's bucket of chicken?

 

[snapthis]

 
luv's bucket of chicken?

 
Bucket and his list seem to go together.
 
A dead end.

 

[prechilill]

Just a friendly reminder:
 
 
 

 
 Be a good union pilot!

 

[prechilill]

Question: does Usapa matter? Discuss among yourselves 😀

 

[Bill Brasky]

I've been out of the country for a while, but I see the west meltdown continues.

 

[EastUS1]

What is an USAir list?
 
"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."
 
Nobody is going touch it.

 
So the mighty AOL will become a major player, but the legally elected representation for the USAirways side will be prohibited from any interaction?...And such is supposedly contained within a presumed "order" or "ruling"?  Am I understanding the latest "spartan" fantasy correctly?...Seriously? 😉
 
Given that you've clearly departed from controlled flight here; perhaps "you'se" should take a moment to seek some additional clarity on the definitons of "rulings", "orders" and the like prior to spinning ever deeper into Fantasyland, starting with the following: "Dicta
Opinions of a judge that do not embody the resolution or determination of the specific case before the court. Expressions in a court's opinion that go beyond the facts before the court and therefore are individual views of the author of the opinion and not binding in subsequent cases as legal precedent. The plural of dictum.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2."
 
court order
n.
An order issued by a court that requires a person to do or refrain from doing something.


 
If you've time after such intense and demanding study; please then proceed to specifically cite which supposed "order" or "ruling" your latest nonsensical notions are contained within.....?
 
Have fun and of course: Click to Donate. "You'se" mighty army's running low on food for your "dire wolves". 🙂

 

[snapthis]

I've been out of the country for a while, but I see the west meltdown continues.

So...you had to come back to a country with running water, electricity and the internet to catch up on things here on Airline Forums?

Right

 

[EastUS1]

I've been out of the country for a while, but I see the west meltdown continues.

 
Pretty much. They're apparently down to two "spartan" defenders of the cult's faith. One only capable of sticking her tongue out, squeeling and chidlishly attempting to irritate. The other clearly unable to produce anything in the way of logical argument or coherent thought. There's nothing new with such behavior here, save for the greatly reduced numbers now offering such.

 

[luvthe9]

FOUND on the internet............Subj: brake release

Dear CLT REPS:

A big shout out and muchias gracias to our brothers in the Southern Hemisphere for telling the troops about how we are getting cheated daily by not putting in the delay codes like our fellow AA pilots.

That email should have gone out on December 9, 2013 about 30 seconds after they signed the POR.

Just mentioned this to several pilots in the crew room at PHL and they all felt that Doug would probably try to drop this out of the next contract via the JCBA. We must all tell our reps the delay codes must stay and the language should be clarified and made stronger.

We are the only employee group at AA ; besides the flight attendants, who are required to be on the job at our flight station and NOT BE PAID until we move, unlike the Native Americans.
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Also we need to address what the definition of what "in" is. At AA it is both engines zero oil pressure, the main cabin door open, brakes set AND beacon off. You need 4 things to trigger an "in" time.

Our aircraft are still wired to show the in time when one cargo door opens (sometimes even before you come to a stop at the gate). All aircraft must be wired the same to show the correct out and in time.

Also do you all know that if a crew meal is not provided you can purchase a meal at the next stop and submit the receipt for reimbursement per the MOU.

Last point is the auto parking systems in MIA, DFW and ORD. These are they same as our self parking units we have in CLT and the ones you see in Europe. But the one's American uses also have a motion sensor. The AA pilots have been fighting this for years. For the self parking gates at the hubs the unit decides when you start and stop REGARDLESS of what the aircraft does.

When it send an incorrect time it is a big fight with the chief pilot to get the correct time entered.

Self parking is fine, but the option that decides movement or no movement which triggers out and in times MUST BE DISABLED per the JCBA.

 

[88 B.T.D.]

So...you had to come back to a country with running water, electricity and the internet to catch up on things here on Airline Forums?

Right

If its the country I think it is, forums/chat rooms are blocked on the internet. Also you do have to leave your billeting/room for running water.

 

[snapthis]

 
 
So the mighty AOL will become a major player, but the legally elected representation for the USAirways side will be prohibited from any interaction?...And such is supposedly contained within a presumed "order" or "ruling"?  Am I understanding the latest "spartan" fantasy correctly?...Seriously? 😉
 
Perhaps "you'se" should take a moment to seek some additional clarity on the definitons of "rulings", "orders" and the like prior to spiraling ever deeper into Fantasyland, starting with the following: Dicta
Opinions of a judge that do not embody the resolution or determination of the specific case before the court. Expressions in a court's opinion that go beyond the facts before the court and therefore are individual views of the author of the opinion and not binding in subsequent cases as legal precedent. The plural of dictum.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
 
If you've time after such intense and demanding study; please then proceed to cite which supposed "order" or "ruling" your latest nonsensical notions are contained within.....?
 

 
How about doing a little reading yourself, Michael.
Leonidas has been out of money since 2007, right?
It's over, right?
Let's go back to basics:
 
Leonidas LLC Objectives
We, the former pilots of America West Airlines, hereby declare the following:
1. We fully demand all of our legal rights, in their entirety, within the new US Airways, or any successor airline.
2. We require full, good faith compliance with our existing contract, the Transition Agreement and ALPA merger policy from all parties.
3. We will not allow our rights to be trod upon by USAPA, the East MEC, ALPA National, or the Company.
4. We will aggressively seek any and all available legal remedies against any party which might seek to dilute our rights.
5. We will not tolerate discrimination against the pilots of America West in any form, including the dilution of the Nicolau Award by any means, contractual or otherwise.
6. We will not engage in fruitless debates over matters already settled.
7. We will remain perpetually poised to aggressively defend our rights until such time when we are no longer threatened.
 
The same holds true today....
 
Remeber the document produced by something called binding arbitration? Remember it was a document reviewed by pilot neutrals from United and Continental?
 
"A majority of the Board has also decided that the totality of premerger career expectations weighs in favor of active pilots as of the date of the announcement. When one considers the number and
length of furloughs on the US Airways side and the DIM prospects the airline faced and compares it to the lack of furloughs on the America West side, which furloughs ceased to exist long before the merger took place, merging active pilots with furloughees, despite the length of service of some of the latter, is not at all fair or equitable under any of the stated criteria."