2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

This is what the company is asking.....prepare for a riot. 😉

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
Don Addington, et al., on behalf of
themselves and all similarly situated
former America West Pilots,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Assn, an
unincorporated association,
Defendant,

US Airways, Inc.,
Intervenor.
Case No. 2:13-cv-00471-ROS
[PROPOSED] ORDER GRANTING
INTERVENOR US AIRWAYS, INC.S
MOTION TO CORRECT JUDGMENT
PURSUANT TO FEDERAL RULE OF
CIVIL PROCEDURE 60(A) AND TO
MODIFY COURTS ORDER
PURSUANT TO RULES 52( B) AND
59(E)
Upon consideration of Intervenor US Airways, Inc.s Motion To Correct Judgment
Pursuant To Federal Rule Of Civil Procedure 60(A) And To Modify Courts Order
Pursuant To Rules 52( B) And 59(E), and any opposition thereto,
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the Motion is GRANTED.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that judgment entered in this case on January 10,
2014 (Doc. No. 299) shall be amended to reflect that the judgment applies to the
certified
West Pilot Class as defined in the Courts September 18, 2013 Order: All pilots who are
on the America West seniority list currently incorporated into the West Pilots collective
bargaining agreement. (See Doc. No. 194 at 3:10-12.)
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Courts January 10, 2014 Order (Doc.
No. 298) shall be modified to delete Footnote 15, and a revised Order will be issued
forthwith.

[PROPOSED] ORDER GRANTING US AIRWAYS
MOT. TO CORRECT JUDGMENT & MODIFY ORDER
CASE NO. 2:13-CV-00471-ROS

 
 
So then, do you think this is helpful to the West Pilot attempt to get a seat at MB, or do you think this is a request to remove any doubt about her order in that respect?  
 
Do you think this is just like what they did when the asked Silver to amend her DJ order, or do you think this is different?  

 

[EastUS1]

This is what the company is asking.....prepare for a riot. 😉
 

 
Why would/should there be any riot?

 

[snapthis]

So then, do you think this is helpful to the West Pilot attempt to get a seat at MB, or do you think this is a request to remove any doubt about her order in that respect?  
 
Do you think this is just like what they did when the asked Silver to amend her DJ order, or do you think this is different?

Do you think the company supports the APA appointing a West committee since we can't get anything done with USAPA complicating matters?

 

[snapthis]

Why would/should there be any riot?

Lack of self-restraint due to the master plan being derailed?

 

[Phoenix]

Must agree. In ridding note 15 they want apa to be unhindered to appoint usapa merger committee ( making the victory not so phyrric).

 
 
I envy your brevity, economy of posts, and concomitant impact quotient.  

 

[Phoenix]

Do you think the company supports the APA appointing a West committee since we can't get anything done with USAPA complicating matters?

 
Do tell me why the company just requested Judge Silver to correct her order to state that it is binding on the West Class?  Why did they reaffirm her order had an essential element that denies the West a seat, and then asked her to delete a footnote that is not essential to that denial?  
 
As 88 B.T.D. more eloquently pointed out, the company does't want the West class to even contemplate or attempt to use Silver's order to oppose the APA from overseeing MB between the former AMR pilots and the former LCC pilots, just as the MOU states. 
 
How on earth you construe any hope of an MB seat out of this is beyond mere implicit assumptions.  Do you personally get money every time someone hits "donate now" buttons?  

 

[Phoenix]

Do you think the company supports the APA appointing a West committee since we can't get anything done with USAPA complicating matters?

 
 
The short answer, No.
 
I think the company is asking Judge Silver to completely prevent the West Class from having any chance whatsoever at affecting the SLI process in the MOU.   

 

[snapthis]

The short answer, No.
 
I think the company is asking Judge Silver to completely prevent the West Class from having any chance whatsoever at affecting the SLI process in the MOU.

What this means is there is a good chance the APA will run the show not only for the West but the East as well.

 

[Phoenix]

What this means is there is a good chance the APA will run the show not only for the West but the East as well.

 
 
Your prediction of "good chances" isn't something I would bet on, especially after reading what the company requested. 😀
 
This is merely "bookkeeping".  The company is helping Judge Silver improve upon the spelling, grammar, and punctuation of her order that denies the West Class any chance of a seat at MB.   They don't want any accidental confusion about her order as things proceed.  
 
The APA will comply with the terms of the MOU and Judge Silver's Order, and the company is just helping to make sure there won't be any possibility of the West sticking their fingers in the gears.  

 

[Beancounter]

I'm no lawyer, but it looks like the company is getting confirmation that the APA, if approved as our new union, is going to run the SLI show..... and we haven't heard anything about a protocol agreement yet? Hmmmmmm, probably nothing, but it could be something.

Bean

 

[Metroyet]

I'm no lawyer, but it looks like the company is getting confirmation that the APA, if approved as our new union, is going to run the SLI show..... and we haven't heard anything about a protocol agreement yet? Hmmmmmm, probably nothing, but it could be something.

Bean

There isn't going to be any "protocol agreement" as there isn't going to be any two parties to which an agreement needs to be  made. Silver wiped USTUPID off the map. I'd love to see the conference room flailings of USAPA banging every drum they can get their hands on, all the while AAL and APA yawn, sip coffee, and stare at their finger nails waiting for the loudmouth morons to die. Apropos as a cherry on top for nearly 8 years of total failure.

 

[end_of_alpa]

This is what the company is asking.....prepare for a riot. 😉

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
Don Addington, et al., on behalf of
themselves and all similarly situated
former America West Pilots,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Assn, an
unincorporated association,
Defendant,

US Airways, Inc.,
Intervenor.
Case No. 2:13-cv-00471-ROS
[PROPOSED] ORDER GRANTING
INTERVENOR US AIRWAYS, INC.S
MOTION TO CORRECT JUDGMENT
PURSUANT TO FEDERAL RULE OF
CIVIL PROCEDURE 60(A) AND TO
MODIFY COURTS ORDER
PURSUANT TO RULES 52 b AND
59(E)
Upon consideration of Intervenor US Airways, Inc.s Motion To Correct Judgment
Pursuant To Federal Rule Of Civil Procedure 60(A) And To Modify Courts Order
Pursuant To Rules 52b and 59(E), and any opposition thereto,
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the Motion is GRANTED.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that judgment entered in this case on January 10,
2014 (Doc. No. 299) shall be amended to reflect that the judgment applies to the
certified
West Pilot Class as defined in the Courts September 18, 2013 Order: All pilots who are
on the America West seniority list currently incorporated into the West Pilots collective
bargaining agreement. (See Doc. No. 194 at 3:10-12.)
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Courts January 10, 2014 Order (Doc.
No. 298) shall be modified to delete Footnote 15, and a revised Order will be issued
forthwith.

[PROPOSED] ORDER GRANTING US AIRWAYS
MOT. TO CORRECT JUDGMENT & MODIFY ORDER
CASE NO. 2:13-CV-00471-ROS

What "riot"?  It's "proposed" and USAPA has the right to answer.  No one knows how Silver will rule but she may just answer them the way she did before:  "take it up with appeals, USAPA is so evil I do not want anyone of you associated with them in my Court to soil my carpet again."  {Besides San Francisco has cleaning crews for this very purpose.)
 
Evil USAPA will get theirs.  Right.  See you putzes in appeals court.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I'm no lawyer, but it looks like the company is getting confirmation that the APA, if approved as our new union, is going to run the SLI show..... and we haven't heard anything about a protocol agreement yet? Hmmmmmm, probably nothing, but it could be something.

Bean

First Westicle to actually see with blinders off.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I wonder why there's no protocol agreement yet.

Who cares? It'll be years before we get to a joint certificate / joint bid.

That MOU had a ridiculously optimistic timeline - 3 arbitrators available on such short notice?

Fugitaboutit.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I'm no lawyer, but it looks like the company is getting confirmation that the APA, if approved as our new union, is going to run the SLI show..... and we haven't heard anything about a protocol agreement yet? Hmmmmmm, probably nothing, but it could be something.

Bean

 
I'm no lawyer, either, but it looks to me like the company is:
 
1. Trying to get Judge Silver to force the west class into their corner and STFU permanently,
2. Inoculate themselves from another wearying, senseless, loser lawsuit by that west class.