2014 Pilot Discussion

[PullUp]

This is the language in five of US' CBAs,
 

Just searched AA pilots contract for 'picket' and 'strike' and I could not find anything remotely resembling that.

 

[Phoenix]

Not only are RTO's discussed in the news but in the classroom as well. Case studies have been completed and the following thesis is a good example. I think it would be safe to say that Duke is a respected university.http://econ.duke.edu/uploads/media_items/losardo-zhu-thesis.original.pdf

A graduate student's thesis to get his master degree? Really?

 

[A320 Driver]

I have a question for East and West Pilots.
 
Does either or both your CBAs have the same language as all three IAM CBAs, the CWA CBA and the AFA CBA that permits you not to cross a sanctioned picket line at US property?

I have a question for you former stock clerk. Why don't you give it a rest?
 
Another jealous unskilled worker wishing he had a bigger slice of the pie...

 

[A320 Driver]

Not only are RTO's discussed in the news but in the classroom as well. Case studies have been completed and the following thesis is a good example. I think it would be safe to say that Duke is a respected university.

http://econ.duke.edu/uploads/media_items/losardo-zhu-thesis.original.pdf

I don't dispute RTOs. I dispute any "takeover" that is done without money! AWA didn't have enough cash to guarantee long term viability, much less takeover anyone. Lakefield put the money together for the "merger". You were just an unwilling participant without the slightest input.

 

[dariencc]

I have a question for you former stock clerk. Why don't you give it a rest?
 
Another jealous unskilled worker wishing he had a bigger slice of the pie...

 
He finally got a "slice of the pie" in his new career at the Twinkie factory. 
 
Then they went and closed the factory.

 

[snapthis]

A graduate student's thesis to get his master degree? Really?

What other RTO's were mentioned in the article? Did he get those wrong too?

Are you saying he got his thesis wrong?

How about a law firm?

FAMOUS REVERSE TAKE OVERS OF THE LAST 20 YEARS
JANUARY 7, 2013

In order to fully understand the benefits of reverse take overs, it’s important to consider verified, real-life examples of this process in action. While many of the most famous reverse acquisitions took place in the 1960s and 70s, plenty of these high-profile deals have occurred over the last twenty years, and some may just surprise you.
US AIRWAYS – AMERICA WEST MERGER
In 2003, America West Airlines reduced its number of flights from around 50 to only 4 per day, while also making plans to close one of its biggest hubs. By 2005, US Airways was facing Chapter 11 bankruptcy, but America West’s management saved it from this financial fate by merging it via a reverse take over with US Airways. This corporate marriage wasn’t without complications, however, since rival unions and labor disputes put plenty of kinks in what should have been a smooth transition.

http://owenslawfirm.net/famous-reverse-take-overs-of-the-last-20-years/

 

[700UW]

AA doesnt matter in this case, its US Airways East and West CBAs.

 

[snapthis]

I don't dispute RTOs. I dispute any "takeover" that is done without money! AWA didn't have enough cash to guarantee long term viability, much less takeover anyone. Lakefield put the money together for the "merger". You were just an unwilling participant without the slightest input.

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Your side wants to pretend that the old US Airways was in a better position than it was at the time. The arbitrator recognized this and made comments concerning the career expectations of our pilot groups.

Hate to break the news to you but this is going to be a factor in seniority talks with the APA.

 

[A320 Driver]

 
He finally got a "slice of the pie" in his new career at the Twinkie factory. 
 
Then they went and closed the factory.

🙂

 

[A320 Driver]

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Your side wants to pretend that the old US Airways was in a better position than it was at the time. The arbitrator recognized this and made comments concerning the career expectations of our pilot groups.

Hate to break the news to you but this is going to be a factor in seniority talks with the APA.

COOL! Lets show them how one of the two West bases had to be closed for lack of interest and that it took 24% East flying to prop up the other one (PHX) to meet your min fleet contract minimums.
 
Then we can show how US Airways as a whole was making record profits while AA was in bankruptcy.
 
Should be interesting...

 

[Phoenix]

What other RTO's were mentioned in the article? Did he get those wrong too?
Are you saying he got his thesis wrong?
How about a law firm?
FAMOUS REVERSE TAKE OVERS OF THE LAST 20 YEARS
JANUARY 7, 2013
In order to fully understand the benefits of reverse take overs, it’s important to consider verified, real-life examples of this process in action. While many of the most famous reverse acquisitions took place in the 1960s and 70s, plenty of these high-profile deals have occurred over the last twenty years, and some may just surprise you.
US AIRWAYS – AMERICA WEST MERGER
In 2003, America West Airlines reduced its number of flights from around 50 to only 4 per day, while also making plans to close one of its biggest hubs. By 2005, US Airways was facing Chapter 11 bankruptcy, but America West’s management saved it from this financial fate by merging it via a reverse take over with US Airways. This corporate marriage wasn’t without complications, however, since rival unions and labor disputes put plenty of kinks in what should have been a smooth transition.http://owenslawfirm.net/famous-reverse-take-overs-of-the-last-20-years/

Wow! If Marty and Ferggie had entered these into evidence Silver would surely have found a DFR. Too bad you weren't the AOL leader!

 

[luvthe9]

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Your side wants to pretend that the old US Airways was in a better position than it was at the time. The arbitrator recognized this and made comments concerning the career expectations of our pilot groups.
Hate to break the news to you but this is going to be a factor in seniority talks with the APA.

No it's not but keep the spin coming, after all you are SpinThis. You can keep what you brought to this merge we don't want it at all. Jeffrey says accept DOH and move on we all know it. Little AFO club destroying the careers of their fellow senior pilots.

 

[EastUS1]

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Your side wants to pretend that the old US Airways was in a better position than it was at the time. The arbitrator recognized this and made comments concerning the career expectations of our pilot groups.

Hate to break the news to you but this is going to be a factor in seniority talks with the APA.

 
"this is going to be a factor"..? Really? Why would/should anyone care about conditions in 2005? Why not 1995 or 1985 then? Should the APA base their arguments on their situation in 2005, without reasonably expecting laughter in response? Is it even conceivable that anyone can imagine a "snapshot in time" from 2005 to now matter at all? Seriously: What DO "you'se" smoke out there in "sparta"?
 
Addressing an utterly ridiculous fantasy I've always found laughable, and at best, only suited for imaginative young children: "concerning the career expectations of our pilot groups." How have all those magic "expectations" played out for anyone at all? Did the west have "expectations" of being stuck in PHX with furloughs? No? Then one must observe that your grand and glorious expectations actually had no foundational basis in reality whatsoever. That's the thing about "expectations"; they're only suitable for fun times in Fantasyland, and have nothing whatsoever to do with ANY aspect of actual reality.

 

[nycbusdriver]

And everyone knows those agreements just don't disappear.  

 
Yes.  They did.  Try reading the MOU which made them disappear on Dec 9, 2013.

 

[Pi brat]

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Your side wants to pretend that the old US Airways was in a better position than it was at the time. The arbitrator recognized this and made comments concerning the career expectations of our pilot groups.

Hate to break the news to you but this is going to be a factor in seniority talks with the APA.

He did indeed. I wonder what the next panel will say when the facts and actual lists and fleets are in front of them?