2014 Pilot Discussion

[Res Judicata]

USAPA is not going to sign off on APA conducting their seniority negotiations.
You have a bad history. Let the NMB decide. Not the pilots on the McCaskill Bond milk cartons.

What's "USAPA"? No one is asking Big Bird or The Easter Bunny to sign off on anything either. Same relevance/

 

[Phoenix]

Who said anything about affirming the NIC?
 
I'll help you out here..
 
What is the NIC?
 

Exactly.

Who affirms the Nic?
What is it?

You learn quickly!

One legal document affirming it and explaining it.... Implicit assumptions need not apply...

 

[luvthe9]

What happened with the Piedmont/Empire SLI?

I' m not Piedmont, but I guess kind of like what you did to Reno, Air Cal and TWA, thus the bill they made because of AA, McCaskill Bond. The 84 hire you speak of could not hold that they have no wide body's, I'm very surprised at your comment I have quite a few friends at AA all on the big planes, you are the first that does not want to protect your flying, independently wealthy? Please tell Wilson you think AA should give up quite a bit of their 777 flying to us. Let me know what he says.

 

[luvthe9]

It's funny watching you guys.  Nobody really knows what you want.  You just sue all the time and cling to DOH.

We want DOH and a long fence with C and R, very simple, your protected unless you don't mind having over a thousand or so guys go ahead of you. There are so many westies that would love to have your seat since you don't seem to mind giving it up. I really hope this all works out but remember you guys fired the first shot at us.

In fairness I do realize this is your first merge, what happened in the past to the three for mentioned airlines was not a merge, especially TWA. Again I hope it works our in the end.

 

[luvthe9]

See the lunacy the West has been forced to endure? .

Lunacy, tell everyone your polygraph stories, that's lunacy at it's finest.

 

[electricjet98]

Who brought and kept the $125 per hour Airbus Captain to the industry?  Oh yea, those new pay rates ya'll have…. Where's they come from??
 
Arbitration is fine with me..  Because thats where this is headed.  I have no pull in the matter.

Welcome to the USAPA initiated cesspool, AAviator...you'll continue to be amazed at the entitlement minded mentality displayed by some, they just never learn.

 

[luvthe9]

Welcome to the USAPA initiated cesspool, AAviator...you'll continue to be amazed at the entitlement minded mentality displayed by some, they just never learn.

Entitlement, you kids take the prize for that, now that was funny.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Parker has Wilson figured. Wilson already took the first bait.
Separate ops west, AA, and east for 5 more years. No contract for 5 yrs. delta and UAL make big gains. You have just been scripted into the america west Parker Franke play book.
Nice job APA pilots. You pioneered the B Scale. You have again dusted it off. Congratulations.

I wouldn't be so quick. We are all on the same scale now, are we not?(unlike the AWA-AAA merge) I'd say Parker is smarter now, as is the APA. If anyone comes up on the short end in the coming years I think I have a pretty good idea of who it may be, and it's not the APA. It's you and me.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I don't see anyone resembling management filing law suits right now.  Do you?

You don't?  Where are you looking?  Better wipe the westie poop out of your eyes.

 

[Pi brat]

  You may have forgotten, but about 6 months ago I said this SLI was headed to arbitration, and you said it wasn't. 

 I thought you were still whining about the merger happening at all 6 months ago.

 

[AAviator]

See the lunacy the West has been forced to endure? If these idiots had it their way, everyone would suffer under the industry's lowest pay for their entire careers until someone tells them how wonderful and valuable they are. You are just now getting a gimpse at the totality of their insanity. They're just getting spooled up, watch what happens after the NMB kills off their fake union.

They're desperately trying to convince the APA that arbitration would be devastating to the APA when reality they're scared to death of what it will do to them. They're the only ones that think the Nic never happened. It did, it's valid, and they know that they could easily find the Nic modified to reflect the last 8 years of economic terrorism/suicide they forced upon their "membership" in their illegal, fruitless quest for a combined DOH contract. Who else is even remotely concerned about binding arbitration but the minority EASTHOLES?

That tells you everything you need to know.

I'm just trying to make sense of what is being said.  USAPA has an expiration date.  It will be final.    Could you imagine if the ALPA wanted a say in USAPA's further actions?
 
Wow..  just wow…..

 

[AAviator]

Exactly.

Who affirms the Nic?
What is it?

You learn quickly!

One legal document affirming it and explaining it.... Implicit assumptions need not apply...

I'd like to buy a vowel….
 
Who has to "affirm" the NIC?  If it's a manufactured answer, don't bother….

 

[AAviator]

The 84 hire you speak of could not hold that they have no wide body's, I'm very surprised at your comment I have quite a few friends at AA all on the big planes, you are the first that does not want to protect your flying, independently wealthy? Please tell Wilson you think AA should give up quite a bit of their 777 flying to us. Let me know what he says.

First point..
 
We're not merging with AWA.  We're merging with LCC.  Go do some homework, like, on the combined -arbitrated- seniority list, where does the 84 AWA hire fit today?  Is he Widebody seniority at LCC?  Then IMO he should hold that rank and status in the merger.
 
You see, the only difference is, in reality, that you think that spot should go to an East pilot regardless of the past.  Truth is, someone will, and it most likely will not be an Eastie, and that just kills you..
 
Sure, that FORMER AWA pilot may be younger than an East pilot may be in that slot, but with growth, further attrition, and pilot compensation what it is now and can be in the future (this is where I see the easties plucking things up royally) everyones career earnings will be more.

 

[luvthe9]

First point..
 
We're not merging with AWA.  We're merging with LCC.  Go do some homework, like, on the combined -arbitrated- seniority list, where does the 84 AWA hire fit today?  Is he Widebody seniority at LCC?  Then IMO he should hold that rank and status in the merger.
 
You see, the only difference is, in reality, that you think that spot should go to an East pilot regardless of the past.  Truth is, someone will, and it most likely will not be an Eastie, and that just kills you..
 
Sure, that FORMER AWA pilot may be younger than an East pilot may be in that slot, but with growth, further attrition, and pilot compensation what it is now and can be in the future (this is where I see the easties plucking things up royally) everyones career earnings will be more.

Second point, arbitrators look at what was brought into a merge AWA had nothing to offer in the merge is, ask them about Project Zanzibar and remember east turned over approximately 27% of our flying to them to show them profitable. OK so are you like Horner ex AWA or married to someone out there.


I think you are missing the boat, I say this being our sixth merge 99% of the east pilots respect DOH we do not want your jobs or big airplanes, hard to believe but true we should not bump any of you and your big planes should be for you guys, it's what you brought to this merge. That is what the east thinks the west on the other hand think they should get all you premium flying and go right to the top.

If you guys want to give away your slots, so be it, please let us all know on the board that is the APA's position to give away wide body jobs, seems to me then DOH would be easy, let's get it done.

 

[AAviator]

We want DOH and a long fence with C and R, very simple, your protected unless you don't mind having over a thousand or so guys go ahead of you. There are so many westies that would love to have your seat since you don't seem to mind giving it up. I really hope this all works out but remember you guys fired the first shot at us.

In fairness I do realize this is your first merge, what happened in the past to the three for mentioned airlines was not a merge, especially TWA. Again I hope it works our in the end.

TWA was an asset purchase, not a merger, in fact, they waived senioity to make it happen.  Reno was a flat out purchase of a non-CBA pilot group.  Air Cal was before my time.  BUT, just like in all of the past ones, we're already seeing the same thing happen..  DCA shrinking, LGA shrinking.  Kirby just went on record of LAX being AA's focus for growth in the Pacific..  I firmly believe AA would be fine and growing profitably without the merger.  but, that didn't happen (PI Brat).  I guess 7 billion in the bank could have carried us until the $125/hr pilot heaven of LCC finally folded.
 
p.s.  have you seen Republics E-190 rates??
 
Oh yea,   good luck with that DOH thing..  ain't happening.