2014 Pilot Discussion

[Res Judicata]

1) The APA seems clearly intent on attempting yet another complete abuse of a pilot group

Says the Drunk Scab Hypocrite...

I'd fear Karma if I were you.

 

[cynic]

I'm a moderator on another forum.  I can tell by various ways of who's a troll and who isn't.  They can..  Trust me.

They just assume that everyone disagreeing with them is actually only one person. It makes them feel better for some reason. 

 

[cynic]

 
1) The APA seems clearly intent on attempting yet another complete abuse of a pilot group. No surprise there. Thanks for being too stupid to even conversationally cloak your intent..."enemies"....
2) Most certainly not from the likes of yourself anyway.
 
Again; feel free to pretend yourself a great "friend" of the west, versus them being bluntly stated "enemies", and good luck keeping them as gullible as they currently are for very long at all.
 
"p.s. and no, I haven't changed my position if PI Brat is lurking..  I think AA would be better off without LCC." That sounds like a purely personal problem. Run to Parker and company and explain your distress. I've no doubt they'll change their minds immediately. If you've no instant success there; try another approach you're more familiar with, ie: "I pushed the mommy button..." 😉

If ever there was a pilot group that deserved being abused.....

 

[traderjake]

We want DOH and a long fence with C and R, very simple, your protected unless you don't mind having over a thousand or so guys go ahead of you.

 
You want to steal American jobs just like you want to steal West jobs.
 
Making an East NB Captain senior to an American WB Captain is stealing that WB  Captain's job.
 
Keep begging APA to negotiate, it ain't gonna work.

 

[traderjake]

 
You sure sound a lot like DCA319 and/or MoveToCLT.  Yet another alias?

 
So you believe Mov2CLT created this little ruse in 2002?
 
AAviator Member Since 12 Nov 2002

 

[Phoenix]

I google "implicit assumption" and came up with this :
 
https://www.boundless.com/psychology/definition/implicit-assumptions/
 
Ok, so maybe I'm an idiot…  Who has to "affirm" the NIC?
 
Your turn…  (I know I already asked that question)

I am not proposing the Nic should be used. I am not asserting it must be used. I am not begging others to agree it can be used. I am not begging others to assume it must be used.

If YOU want to use it, if you assert it must be used then just give us one authoritative document affirming it. Just one.

 

[Res Judicata]

You want to steal American jobs just like you want to steal West jobs.
 
Making an East NB Captain senior to an American WB Captain is stealing that WB  Captain's job.
 
Keep begging APA to negotiate, it ain't gonna work.

East holes 1999 and later = Furlough Fodder.

 

[traderjake]

If YOU want to use it, if you assert it must be used then just give us one authoritative document affirming it. Just one.

 
Wrong.
 
If the arbitation panel wants to use it who's going to stop them?

 

[Phoenix]

Wrong.
 
If the arbitation panel wants to use it who's going to stop them?

First you have assumed it will go to arbitration.

Second, assuming the arbitration panel is granted authority over the SLI, If the arbitration panel wants to use DOH who is going to stop them? They will have whatever authority they are given.

Your point is meaningless, unless you implicitly assume the arbitration panel will affirm a list (Nic, DOH, or anything else) regardless, without regard to legal Status Quo.

If YOU want to use the Nic, you have nothing to affirm it beyond your web posts and a $675 tie.

 

[A320 Driver]

 
You want to steal American jobs just like you want to steal West jobs.
 
Making an East NB Captain senior to an American WB Captain is stealing that WB  Captain's job.
 

That's BS and you know it. Not ONE West pilot lost his job to an East pilot. NOT ONE. Unlike the bump and flush that has been discussed here by others should West prevail in court. The West could have prospered with everyone else had they not demanded the NIC and endorsed the company in their position to keep us on LOA93 for as long as possible.
 
You're a disgrace and a blatant liar. 

 

[nycbusdriver]

OMG, did an Eastie just agree with something I've said?

 
Well, yes.  You advocated DOH for determining where the westie should sit.  I think that has been the whole point of the east arguement for the last 9 years.
 
Also, I have been maintaining that there would be no fences allowed between east and west former-LCC.  I can't imagine any arbitration panel trying to issue "protections" within LCC.  Their job would be to merge LCC and AAL, and protections between those two groups are to be expected.

 

[A320 Driver]

 
Well, yes.  You advocated DOH for determining where the westie should sit.  I think that has been the whole point of the east arguement for the last 9 years.
 
Also, I have been maintaining that there would be no fences allowed between east and west former-LCC.  I can't imagine any arbitration panel trying to issue "protections" within LCC.  Their job would be to merge LCC and AAL, and protections between those two groups are to be expected.

Agreed. Even with a slotting formula the first West pilots would not be plugged into the list until you have slotted all of the WB pilots on the East. And with the NIC lost, the formerly furloughed East pilots that NIC disenfranchised would be slotted in commensurate with their current positions, not the staple job NIC used. Fences wouldn't make any sense at this point. It's not DOH, but it would be consistent with last couple of arbitrations and it beats the NIC hands down.

 

[Claxon]

Ok,
No one has to affirm the NIC.  You agree'd to binding arbitration and the arbitrator ruled.
 
Unless USAPA manufactured a bill of good they're trying to sell.
 
Am I close?
 
Still looking for the vowel..

You are looking for vowels. You should be looking for numbers. 9
9th court of appeals SF.

 

[traderjake]

Not ONE West pilot lost his job to an East pilot. NOT ONE.

 
 
Tell that to the West guys that got furloughed, dimwit.
 
USAPA is the disgrace and the pilots at the other airlines, including American, know it.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
 
Tell that to the West guys that got furloughed, dimwit.
 
USAPA is the disgrace and the pilots at the other airlines, including American, know it.

So exactly how many east pilots were displaced to PHX?