2014 Pilot Discussion

[Res Judicata]

Doyal is one sick dude.

In the interest of fairness and conscience, I'll state once again, (for the record, I know it will be ignored) but you've got the WRONG guy. I don't remember how other names got to be implicitly assumed to be me, but they're all wrong. No one here has the faintest idea who I am...only the craziest scabs would even bother to care. You all are throwing around the name of a guy that has nothing what so ever to do with my posts. Again, those without a semblance of a life still would rather believe their self-made fantasy that you know all about me but you don't.

You've got the wrong guy.

 

[cltrat]

Doyal is one sick dude.

I think piece of trash is the phrase you're looking for

 

[Phoenix]

In the interest of fairness and conscience, I'll state once again, (for the record, I know it will be ignored) but you've got the WRONG guy. I don't remember how other names got to be implicitly assumed to be me, but they're all wrong. No one here has the faintest idea who I am...only the craziest scabs would even bother to care. You all are throwing around the name of a guy that has nothing what so ever to do with my posts. Again, those without a semblance of a life still would rather believe their self-made fantasy that you know all about me but you don't.

You've got the wrong guy.

 
 
Oh, great... there are TWO of you?  

 

[snapthis]

American, Allied Pilots challenge US Airways pilots' arbitration request
Lance Murray
Dallas Business Journal
Monday, March 24, 2014, 6:30am CDT

Fort Worth-based American Airlines Group and the Allied Pilots Association have urged a federal court to deny a request by the union representing pilots with US Airways to have a seniority integration plan for the newly merged airline be determined by federal arbitration.

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that American said in a court filing Friday that a memorandum of understanding reached last year with the Allied Pilots and the US Airline Pilots Association spells out a process for determining an integrated seniority list.

The company seeks to put a stop, once and for all, to USAPAs bad-faith behavior in trying to escape the provisions of the MOU regarding seniority integration for the pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilot groups, American said in its filing, according to the Star-Telegram.


Earlier this month, The US Airline Pilots Association filed a lawsuit in federal court asking for an arbiter to decide on the process.

American Airlines (Nasdaq: AAL) contends that the agreement specifies that any arbitration needed to resolve a seniority integration dispute should be held after the company and its pilots have reached a new contract.

The Allied Pilots Association, which represents pilots at American, said it expects that it will be named the legal bargaining unit for all the pilots at the merged airline. It asked the court to rule that only it can determine whether any US Airline Pilots Association members can participate in seniority integration, the Star-Telegram said.

 

[snapthis]

American and Allied Pilots Association respond to USAPA lawsuit

American Airlines and the Allied Pilots Association formerly responded to legal accusations made by the US Airways pilots union last month related to the seniority integration process of the two pilots unions.

The Fort Worth-based carrier said it has a memorandum of understanding that APA and the US Airline Pilots Association agreed to last year that laid out a specific process on how to determine an integrated seniority list.

"The Company seeks to put a stop, once and for all, to USAPAs bad-faith behavior in trying to escape the provisions of the MOU regarding seniority integration for the pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilot groups," American said in its filing made on Friday evening.

American asserted that the memorandum of understanding specified that any arbitration needed to resolve a seniority-integration dispute will be held after American and its pilots have received a new contract.

USAPA filed its lawsuit in federal court in Washington D.C. earlier this month, alleging that since the parties could not agree on a seniority integration process, it should be determined by a federal arbiter as laid out under federal law.

The APA, which represents pilots at American, said it expects to be named the legal bargaining unit of all of the pilots at the merged airline and asked the court to rule that only APA can determine if any USAPA members can participate in the seniority integration process.

"APA seeks a further declaration that, following USAPAs decertification as the collective bargaining representative for legacy US Airways pilots and its replacement by APA as the collective bargaining representative for all US Airways and American pilots, USAPA may only participate in the MOU seniority integration process if and to the extent deemed appropriate by APA," the union said in a court filing made on Friday evening.

This is not the first time that US Airways pilots have been involved in a legal battle over seniority integration. The pilot groups at US Airways and America West, which merged in 2005, never integrated as the East pilot group contested a seniority list and the West pilot group argued that the union did not represent it fairly.

If the pilot groups cant sort out seniority integration in a timely fashion, the company could take legal action to enforce the timetable spelled out in the MOU. According to that, the union needs to give American a final seniority list by Dec. 9, 2015.

-Andrea Ahles

Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2014/03/american-and-allied-pilots-association-respond-to-usapa-lawsuit.html#storylink=cpy

 

[nevergiveup]

American, Allied Pilots challenge US Airways pilots' arbitration request
Lance Murray
Dallas Business Journal
Monday, March 24, 2014, 6:30am CDT

Fort Worth-based American Airlines Group and the Allied Pilots Association have urged a federal court to deny a request by the union representing pilots with US Airways to have a seniority integration plan for the newly merged airline be determined by federal arbitration.

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that American said in a court filing Friday that a memorandum of understanding reached last year with the Allied Pilots and the US Airline Pilots Association spells out a process for determining an integrated seniority list.

The company seeks to put a stop, once and for all, to USAPAs bad-faith behavior in trying to escape the provisions of the MOU regarding seniority integration for the pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilot groups, American said in its filing, according to the Star-Telegram.


Earlier this month, The US Airline Pilots Association filed a lawsuit in federal court asking for an arbiter to decide on the process.

American Airlines (Nasdaq: AAL) contends that the agreement specifies that any arbitration needed to resolve a seniority integration dispute should be held after the company and its pilots have reached a new contract.

The Allied Pilots Association, which represents pilots at American, said it expects that it will be named the legal bargaining unit for all the pilots at the merged airline. It asked the court to rule that only it can determine whether any US Airline Pilots Association members can participate in seniority integration, the Star-Telegram said.

I agree with APA that a contract comes first, but after we receive Single Carrier Status from the NMB. 30 days to negotiate, then 60 days to arbitrate the JCBA. Then then seniority arbitration can begin. APA wants to determine who may participate, but the arbitrator may summon anyone they wish to be a witness, be it west, east, TWA, Empire, ect, ect, ect. No real worries here, but ask me Dec. 9, 2015.

 

[snapthis]

I agree with APA that a contract comes first, but after we receive Single Carrier Status from the NMB. 30 days to negotiate, then 60 days to arbitrate the JCBA. Then then seniority arbitration can begin. APA wants to determine who may participate, but the arbitrator may summon anyone they wish to be a witness, be it west, east, TWA, Empire, ect, ect, ect. No real worries here, but ask me Dec. 9, 2015.

I think that they realize that the name of the game all along for USAPA has been delay the inevitable. The company and the APA are growing tired of the interference created by an association which serves no purpose other than to be the brat.

 

[nevergiveup]

I think that they realize that the name of the game all along for USAPA has been delay the inevitable. The company and the APA are growing tired of the interference created by an association which serves no purpose other than to be the brat.

Some people like union work and will delay as long as possible to hold their status. 

 

[snapthis]

Some people like union work and will delay as long as possible to hold their status. 

 
Those pilots need to start thinking about the day they will not have a position at USAPA in the near future.
 
Back to the line............

 

[nevergiveup]

 
Those pilots need to start thinking about the day they will not have a position at USAPA in the near future.
 
Back to the line............

No doubt they will be gearing up to run for APA offices. I'm voting for Move. Bojangles crew meals!

 

[Monkee]

American and Allied Pilots Association respond to USAPA lawsuit

American Airlines and the Allied Pilots Association formerly responded to legal accusations made by the US Airways pilots union last month related to the seniority integration process of the two pilots unions.

The Fort Worth-based carrier said it has a memorandum of understanding that APA and the US Airline Pilots Association agreed to last year that laid out a specific process on how to determine an integrated seniority list.

"The Company seeks to put a stop, once and for all, to USAPAs bad-faith behavior in trying to escape the provisions of the MOU regarding seniority integration for the pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilot groups," American said in its filing made on Friday evening.

American asserted that the memorandum of understanding specified that any arbitration needed to resolve a seniority-integration dispute will be held after American and its pilots have received a new contract.

USAPA filed its lawsuit in federal court in Washington D.C. earlier this month, alleging that since the parties could not agree on a seniority integration process, it should be determined by a federal arbiter as laid out under federal law.

The APA, which represents pilots at American, said it expects to be named the legal bargaining unit of all of the pilots at the merged airline and asked the court to rule that only APA can determine if any USAPA members can participate in the seniority integration process.

"APA seeks a further declaration that, following USAPAs decertification as the collective bargaining representative for legacy US Airways pilots and its replacement by APA as the collective bargaining representative for all US Airways and American pilots, USAPA may only participate in the MOU seniority integration process if and to the extent deemed appropriate by APA," the union said in a court filing made on Friday evening.

This is not the first time that US Airways pilots have been involved in a legal battle over seniority integration. The pilot groups at US Airways and America West, which merged in 2005, never integrated as the East pilot group contested a seniority list and the West pilot group argued that the union did not represent it fairly.

If the pilot groups cant sort out seniority integration in a timely fashion, the company could take legal action to enforce the timetable spelled out in the MOU. According to that, the union needs to give American a final seniority list by Dec. 9, 2015.

-Andrea Ahles

Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2014/03/american-and-allied-pilots-association-respond-to-usapa-lawsuit.html#storylink=cpy
 

 
Another punch in the nuts to USAPA, Now they have the company, the APA, the AA pilots and the West pilots against them. 
 
The petulant whiners have run out of fingers to point to for blame, but they only need one finger, pointed at themselves. 
 
Majority Rules...right?

 

[snapthis]

No doubt they will be gearing up to run for APA offices. I'm voting for Move. Bojangles crew meals!

Bojangles on occasion would be a welcome change from the two item menu. 😉

 

[algflyr]

American, Allied Pilots challenge US Airways pilots' arbitration request
Lance Murray
Dallas Business Journal
Monday, March 24, 2014, 6:30am CDT

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The Allied Pilots Association, which represents pilots at American, said it expects that it will be named the legal bargaining unit for all the pilots at the merged airline. It asked the court to rule that only it can determine whether any US Airline Pilots Association members can participate in seniority integration, the Star-Telegram said.

 
That should scare the crap out of any pilot group going into a seniority integration with the APA. The East and the West should worry about this if the APA were to get their way. And the West is OK with this? They may like the phrase" the enemy of my enemy is my friend" I think that logic is seriously flawed in thinking the APA is a friend of the West. The West may not like USAPA, but perhaps another phrase should be considered... USAPA may very well be the "lesser of two evils"...

 

[Phoenix]

 
That should scare the crap out of any pilot group going into a seniority integration with the APA. The East and the West should worry about this if the APA were to get their way. And the West is OK with this? They may like the phrase" the enemy of my enemy is my friend" I think that logic is seriously flawed in thinking the APA is a friend of the West. The West may not like USAPA, but perhaps another phrase should be considered... USAPA may very well be the "lesser of two evils"...

 
 
very good...
 
and "blinded with rage" is another.

 

[Claxon]

Another punch in the nuts to USAPA, Now they have the company, the APA, the AA pilots and the West pilots against them. 
 
The petulant whiners have run out of fingers to point to for blame, but they only need one finger, pointed at themselves. 
 
Majority Rules...right?

Yes, the america west pilots have put great fear into the east pilots. ( sarcasm)
Addington 1- down in flames
Addington 2- another debacle
Nicolau Award- 7 years ago. Never going to happen.
American Airlines, APA, and USAPA - the seniority litigation will go on for years.
Separate Ops for a minimum of 5 more years.