2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

The East denial continues unabated.
 
The end is near.

 

[Phoenix]

This will be in the courts for years to come. Exactly what Parker wants.

 
 
The APA is starry eyed enough to flirt with a Vegas, err Dallas, wedding.  

 

[Claxon]

The APA is starry eyed enough to flirt with a Vegas, err Dallas, wedding.

Traitor and the west think the APA will skirt McCaskill.
I guarantee Bill Wilder wraps them up for years. Segal and the APA are going up against the best. My money is on the Author.

 

[Claxon]

The East denial continues unabated.
 
The end is near.

He who laughs first, laughs last. You lose. Again.

 

[Claxon]

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court is directed to enter judgment in
favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, a judgment in
favor of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on
Count III.
DATED this 10th day of January, 2014.

Traitor is not up to speed with the LAW.
He just makes things up about the west seat, AFTER the court ruled.

 

[snapthis]

REMOVE MY NAME IF YOU DECIDE TO FORWARD
-----Original Message-----
From: Cactuswest [mailto:cactuswest@me.com]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:47 PM
To: Board of Pilot Representatives; Officers
Subject: Amendment
In your face, from the West.
I remember Crimi, the union buster, who boasted, "we don't need the West"
We, the West, defeated your amendment. That, the Nic who will be shoved up your collective sorry asses soon and the irremediable death of usapa within a few weeks.
The future is bright.
I am laughing out loud In anticipation of usapa climbing back down into the #### hole it came from. This will be a great day for labor and the aviation community at large.
Nonetheless I must admit you guys know how to bend metal like no other. We rookies have very little experience with that.
With disrespect.
Captain Brice LeCarre
AMERICAN AIRLINES.

Gary,

It recently came to my attention that a letter sent to the BPR by a west pilot was not only spread all over a public web board but also sent to company management in the form of a complaint against said pilot. Is there no level your so called "union" won't stoop to in order to avoid actually representing the pilots it currently extorts money from?


Is it acceptable to you as president of such an organization to perform in such a manner? My question is rhetorical as the actions of your "union" have long enough spoken for themselves. The efforts of usapa to date have been nothing more than a new form of scab action, attempting to take from one group to recover losses for the other. Now your "union" seeks to punish one who sees usapa for what it is and speaks so privately to you. An individual who pays dues and expects representation.


Let there be no doubt that the west pilot group despises usapa for all that it stands for. From the day usapa began in its effort to work around the agreement to accept final and binding arbitration which it inherited from our former union we have despised this sham. Your organization began with no credibility, on the backside of morality, and in an ethical dung heap. You use the Railway Labor Act in a criminal manner to perpetuate your agenda and to force us to finance that agenda.


If that is not enough usapa has used the tools and power of a union in an attempt to harm the company we work for with a ridiculous "safety" action. Simply laughable. Now your group is using the court system to hamper our merger with American, again biting the hand that feeds us. All with selfish motivation in the interest of only the east pilot group.


I urge you to forward this letter to management as you did the letter of the other west pilot. I am also encouraging other west pilots to write to you or the BPR in an effort to share their thoughts on all usapa has accomplished with funds extorted from all of us. It will be productive for the company to see first hand how one third of the people usapa represents really feel about their "union".


I, and all west pilots, look forward to the day usapa ceases to exist, ceases to extort money from us to support the east pilot's agenda. Hopefully some day you will realize the vacuity of your efforts and those of your organization.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do you have the name that goes along with this letter too?

 

[nevergiveup]

Gary,

It recently came to my attention that a letter sent to the BPR by a west pilot was not only spread all over a public web board but also sent to company management in the form of a complaint against said pilot. Is there no level your so called "union" won't stoop to in order to avoid actually representing the pilots it currently extorts money from?


Is it acceptable to you as president of such an organization to perform in such a manner? My question is rhetorical as the actions of your "union" have long enough spoken for themselves. The efforts of usapa to date have been nothing more than a new form of scab action, attempting to take from one group to recover losses for the other. Now your "union" seeks to punish one who sees usapa for what it is and speaks so privately to you. An individual who pays dues and expects representation.


Let there be no doubt that the west pilot group despises usapa for all that it stands for. From the day usapa began in its effort to work around the agreement to accept final and binding arbitration which it inherited from our former union we have despised this sham. Your organization began with no credibility, on the backside of morality, and in an ethical dung heap. You use the Railway Labor Act in a criminal manner to perpetuate your agenda and to force us to finance that agenda.


If that is not enough usapa has used the tools and power of a union in an attempt to harm the company we work for with a ridiculous "safety" action. Simply laughable. Now your group is using the court system to hamper our merger with American, again biting the hand that feeds us. All with selfish motivation in the interest of only the east pilot group.


I urge you to forward this letter to management as you did the letter of the other west pilot. I am also encouraging other west pilots to write to you or the BPR in an effort to share their thoughts on all usapa has accomplished with funds extorted from all of us. It will be productive for the company to see first hand how one third of the people usapa represents really feel about their "union".


I, and all west pilots, look forward to the day usapa ceases to exist, ceases to extort money from us to support the east pilot's agenda. Hopefully some day you will realize the vacuity of your efforts and those of your organization.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do you have the name that goes along with this letter too?

Who cares?

 

[snapthis]

Who cares?

Sounds like a common industry response to the East's view they were cheated by arbitration.

 

[Phoenix]

Sounds like a common industry response to the East's view they were cheated by arbitration.

Who cares X 2?

 

[traderjake]

 

Traitor is not up to speed with the LAW.

 
I don't have a TV so I haven't watched as many episodes of Perry Mason as you and Pheonix.
 
I believe Judge Silver has a TV.
 
How's the trademark enfrindegment thing going?
 

 

[snapthis]

Who cares X 2?

X2? How about 3,4,5......1600?

Mr. Gary Hummel,

Without due respect - each and every action that this so called union has taken since its inception has been done with the sole purpose of alienating and inflicting harm to the West pilot group. The latest in a continuing series of blatant misrepresentation is the forwarding of a letter sent to the BPR from one of our West Captains to management.

Was the hope to have management discipline this pilot? The hypocrisy! Your shameless BPR chose not to engage with the same disdain and measures regarding a letter sent to a Federal Judge.

Are we not entitled to free speech? Are we not allowed to question or criticize this so called union that we are enforced to pay dues to? Where in the Constitution and By-laws of USAPA does it say that members cannot and will not write unpleasant letters to the BPR? It is our DUTY to voice our own opinion with regards to the representation that each of feel we are receiving from this so called union. That is how a union works democratically.

The BPRs decision to send the West Captains letter to management speaks volumes as to where your collective minds are. Your backs are against the wall and you are running out of options the day that USAPA will cease to exist will soon be upon your East pilot group. At that point your petulant band will the minority and karma will rule the day. You may find comfort in a small minority of pilots in this industry that may believe in the Easts plight, but it is a small group. The vast majority of industry pilots finds your group abhorrent and in contempt.

My only comfort is in knowing that a majority of your brethren - due to retirement - will be off property by the end of the decade. At that point each of you can reminisce and reflect on a job well done.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Who wrote this, Luv?

Here's a clue,,,,CA PHX A320

 

[Claxon]

Gary,
It recently came to my attention that a letter sent to the BPR by a west pilot was not only spread all over a public web board but also sent to company management in the form of a complaint against said pilot. Is there no level your so called "union" won't stoop to in order to avoid actually representing the pilots it currently extorts money from?
Is it acceptable to you as president of such an organization to perform in such a manner? My question is rhetorical as the actions of your "union" have long enough spoken for themselves. The efforts of usapa to date have been nothing more than a new form of scab action, attempting to take from one group to recover losses for the other. Now your "union" seeks to punish one who sees usapa for what it is and speaks so privately to you. An individual who pays dues and expects representation.
Let there be no doubt that the west pilot group despises usapa for all that it stands for. From the day usapa began in its effort to work around the agreement to accept final and binding arbitration which it inherited from our former union we have despised this sham. Your organization began with no credibility, on the backside of morality, and in an ethical dung heap. You use the Railway Labor Act in a criminal manner to perpetuate your agenda and to force us to finance that agenda.
If that is not enough usapa has used the tools and power of a union in an attempt to harm the company we work for with a ridiculous "safety" action. Simply laughable. Now your group is using the court system to hamper our merger with American, again biting the hand that feeds us. All with selfish motivation in the interest of only the east pilot group.
I urge you to forward this letter to management as you did the letter of the other west pilot. I am also encouraging other west pilots to write to you or the BPR in an effort to share their thoughts on all usapa has accomplished with funds extorted from all of us. It will be productive for the company to see first hand how one third of the people usapa represents really feel about their "union".
I, and all west pilots, look forward to the day usapa ceases to exist, ceases to extort money from us to support the east pilot's agenda. Hopefully some day you will realize the vacuity of your efforts and those of your organization.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do you have the name that goes along with this letter too?

Why don't you and Brice, Cap'n Aux, Tony Anger, and Peeper gin up Cat3 Productions and make another idiotic production about your dilemma?

 

[snapthis]

Why don't you and Brice, Cap'n Aux, Tony Anger, and Peeper gin up Cat3 Productions and make another idiotic production about your dilemma?
Brice has already turned loose many, many of them.

I think it's better to point out the award winning union....

US Airways Pilots Union Earns a Long Overdue Cranky Jackass Award For Using Safety as a Negotiation Tactic

http://crankyflier.com/
"I’ve written many times about the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA), and it’s never been in a good light. This week, the group which represents the pilots at US Airways has once again topped itself by taking out a full page ad in USA Today talking about how US Airways is unsafe. Though there are other groups in the running, I think USAPA has demonstrated that it is the most ineffective, poorly run union group out there. "

 

[Claxon]

I think it's better to point out the award winning union....US Airways Pilots Union Earns a Long Overdue Cranky Jackass Award For Using Safety as a Negotiation Tactichttp://crankyflier.com/
"I’ve written many times about the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA), and it’s never been in a good light. This week, the group which represents the pilots at US Airways has once again topped itself by taking out a full page ad in USA Today talking about how US Airways is unsafe. Though there are other groups in the running, I think USAPA has demonstrated that it is the most ineffective, poorly run union group out there. "

You and others consistently state USAPA was formed to thwart the Nicolau Award. You are adamant about that. Seeing how it is about to be 7 yrs since that award came to pass, and it is not implemented- how can you logically state USAPA is ineffective? You cannot. It is your anger at it doing exactly what it was supposed to do that us making you say completely false accusations. Based on your reasoning, past allegations, USAPA is most likely the BEST labor organization.

 

[traderjake]

You and others consistently state USAPA was formed to thwart the Nicolau Award. You are adamant about that. Seeing how it is about to be 7 yrs since that award came to pass, and it is not implemented- how can you logically state USAPA is ineffective? You cannot. It is your anger at it doing exactly what it was supposed to do that us making you say completely false accusations. Based on your reasoning, past allegations, USAPA is most likely the BEST labor organization.

 
North Atlantic WB Captains  making less than the F/Os at other airlines for 5 years.
 
At least 50 vacation days per East pilot lost forever.
 
No DOH combined seniority list.
 
Winning by losing.