2014 Pilot Discussion

[mrbreeze]

Point #1. "The Company brings these counterclaims to resolve its dispute with Counterclaim Defendant US Airline Pilots Association (“USAPA”) over USAPA’s attempt to repudiate the Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement (“MOU”), which was agreed to by the Company, USAPA and Defendant Allied Pilots Association (“APA”) in connection with the US Airways/American merger. The Company seeks to put a stop, once and for all, to USAPA’s bad-faith behavior in trying to escape the provisions of the MOU regarding seniority integration for the pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilot groups (the “MOU Seniority-Integration Process”) – in particular, the provisions which specify that any arbitration that is needed to resolve the seniority-integration dispute will be conducted before a panel of three arbitrators designated by the parties and that any such arbitration hearing shall not commence until after the parties have achieved a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (“JCBA”)."
 
Under what grounds or authority does USAPA have to seek the NMB to unilaterally set aside a part of the pilot's contract? Can the NMB legally do that? USAPA once again trying to violate the pilot's contract because the union won't accept a 3-way M-B SLI arbitration, if required. Is USAPA risking the future seniority of all US Airways pilots with their strategy

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[luvthe9]

Because Chip you refuse to read ...... "THE LAW".   Chip Munn i
 
Chip is the ONLY PILOT THAT RISKS THE FUTURE SENIORITY OF ALL US AIRWAYS PILOTS.....BY TAKING A LOST WEST POSITION CONTRARY TO WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

. You forgot to mention his lover, Traitor..

 

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I think what you are seeing is that the APA and USAPA are working out the protocol agreement. Obviously the APA plays tough to get the best for their pilots, as they should. I think the filing to the NMB was USAPA pushing right back against the APA. I have a feeling, since they have both admitted to still be negotiating the protocol agreement, once they come to an agreement, the filing to the NMB and the litigation, will be withdrawn. Then on to the actual integration. I have also heard, as breeze said a few days ago, they are close on the combined list with just a few sticking points. If they agree 90% on the list, they can then just go to arbitration to have the remaining 10% decided. Then the arbitrators rule on the 10% and put out an arbitrated list... Simple... 🙂

That is EXACTLY THE WAY IT WORKS.  EXACTLY.  THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT WILL PLAY OUT.  EXACTLY.
 
Chip somehow seems to think only HE HOLDS THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM.  Chip needs a vacation.

 

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. You forgot to mention his lover, Traitor..

DOUBLE for him.

 

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Scared about the fact that USAPA and the APA are talking? That's been going on for quite sometime I understand.

Leonidas is in closed session right now so all I can say is your impression is inaccurate. 😉

AOL at this point will be in PERMANENT closed session from this point forward.  You guys can "hash" out your losing "strategy" sessions on your "leaderless" web boards with Holmes, Calveri, Burman, Doyal, Ferguson, Braid, BRYCE, Koontz and the rest of the legal "brain trust".  That is why you DON'T see them on this board anymore.

 

[luvthe9]

I understand.
Leonidas is in closed session right now so all I can say is your impression is inaccurate. 😉

Yes, they are getting ready to tell the west pilots the truth and apologize for damaging their careers, about time. The west pilot should sue AOL for lost wages.

 

[luvthe9]

That is EXACTLY THE WAY IT WORKS.  EXACTLY.  THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT WILL PLAY OUT.  EXACTLY.
 
Chip somehow seems to think only HE HOLDS THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM.  Chip needs a vacation.

He needs a psych evaluation.

 

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Hey all:  here is a very good history lesson from Mike Levine, who has worked this industry for quite sometime.  He totally BLOWS Rikk Salamat analysis out of the water.  If you recall Salamat was initially used by ALPA and USAPA.  They should have used "tea leaves".  This report from Levine is one year old and a very good read.
 
http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/deptpages/legal/dpa/Expert-Report-of-Michael-E-Levine.pdf
 
p.s.  Read his "Curriculum Vitae".

 

[A320 Driver]

He needs a psych evaluation.

Or a CT Scan...
 
Once he sinks his teeth into something, his obsession has no bounds...

 

[nycbusdriver]

Leonidas is in closed session ...

 
Maybe closed session, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth are audible even out here on the East Coast!
 
(Try to keep it down...you're drowning out our laughter!)
 
   

 

[Claxon]

That is EXACTLY THE WAY IT WORKS.  EXACTLY.  THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT WILL PLAY OUT.  EXACTLY.
 
Chip somehow seems to think only HE HOLDS THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM.  Chip needs a vacation.

Munn and his ethically challenged sidekick Doyal have a group who hang on every misconception they push. Traitor is one of them. They all believe USAPA will not be present to represent USAirways pilots. A complete falsehood.
The APA is coming around, having made critical errors with the perceived power they had to circumvent the MB process.
William Wilder has shone the harsh spotlight of MB on the APA. The APA will abide by the process.

 

[Phoenix]

Munn and his ethically challenged sidekick Doyal have a group who hang on every misconception they push. Traitor is one of them. They all believe USAPA will not be present to represent USAirways pilots. A complete falsehood.
The APA is coming around, having made critical errors with the perceived power they had to circumvent the MB process.
William Wilder has shone the harsh spotlight of MB on the APA. The APA will abide by the process.

 
 
Years ago USAir pilots hung on Munn's every word for stock tips about the UTC with United.. and lost lots of money.  Now the West leaders are huddled around the table in Executive Session with themselves, reading Munn's latest email and internet campaign on behalf of Leonidas..
 
The West should be very uneasy that Munn is filing his amicus briefs on web forums.  The real T-minus clock is ticking loudly.  

 

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Years ago USAir pilots hung on Munn's every word for stock tips about the UTC with United.. and lost lots of money.  Now the West leaders are huddled around the table in Executive Session with themselves, reading Munn's latest email and internet campaign on behalf of Leonidas..
 
The West should be very uneasy that Munn is filing his amicus briefs on web forums.  The real T-minus clock is ticking loudly.  

Now there is the TRUTH OF IT.

 

[snapthis]

Maybe closed session, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth are audible even out here on the East Coast!
 
(Try to keep it down...you're drowning out our laughter!)
 
   

United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Docket Text:
The schedule is set as follows: Mediation Questionnaire due on 04/29/2014. Transcript ordered by 05/21/2014. Transcript due 06/20/2014. Appellants Don Addington, John Bostic, Rodney Albert Brackin, Mark Burman, Afshin Iranpour, George Maliga, Michael J. Soha, Roger Velez and Steve Wargocki opening brief due 07/30/2014. Appellees US Airline Pilots Association and US Airways, Inc. answering brief due 08/29/2014. Appellant's optional reply brief is due 14 days after service of the answering brief.

Yea and USAPA LLC will be around on 8/29/14 to answer the brief.View attachment 10176

 

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United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Docket Text:
The schedule is set as follows: Mediation Questionnaire due on 04/29/2014. Transcript ordered by 05/21/2014. Transcript due 06/20/2014. Appellants Don Addington, John Bostic, Rodney Albert Brackin, Mark Burman, Afshin Iranpour, George Maliga, Michael J. Soha, Roger Velez and Steve Wargocki opening brief due 07/30/2014. Appellees US Airline Pilots Association and US Airways, Inc. answering brief due 08/29/2014. Appellant's optional reply brief is due 14 days after service of the answering brief.

Yea and USAPA LLC will be around on 8/29/14 to answer the brief.

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It's only four months away.  I would not "count" on the NMB making ANY kind of determination before then.  But even IF they did, USAPA would STILL have standing in court to answer.  You just KEEP listening to your AOL cohorts (and CHIP) over at your "secret" web board.