60 to 100 new replacement A/C, what type?

[Elevation]

"At the quarterly Labor Coalition Meeting, senior management informed us that they will embark on a six-month program to look at ordering 60 to 100 airplanes from Boeing and/or Airbus to replace older B737s/757s and A320s/319s whose leases end within the next five years. The order is expected be a replacement order as the mainline fleet plan seems flat for some time," Baker said.



737-900er is my guess

 

[BoeingBoy]

737-900er is my guess

Is this one of those "Great minds think alike" kind of things.....

I was just thinking that the 737-900ER would make a good replacement for the non-ETOPS 757's.

- About 190 passengers in a 2-class configuration

- 3200nm range (not as far as the 757 but enough for non-ETOPS needs)

- potentially available in 2008/2009 timeframe (Boeing just rolled out the first one for flight testing)

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

In my opinion, the company would like to replace the older narrowbody fleet with A320 family aircraft.

Although different B737s can provide flexability, the A320 family aircraft provide marketing and crew staffing advantages with the A319, A320, and A321 configurations.

In addition, with US Airways apparently going to an all Aribus widebody fleet, there are economy of scales here too.

One advantage of discussing a new aircraft order between Boeing and Airbus is to create competition between the two suppliers.

Other considerations is aircraft performance between the different types and new technology.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Elevation]

Is this one of those "Great minds think alike" kind of things.....

I was just thinking that the 737-900ER would make a good replacement for the non-ETOPS 757's.

- About 190 passengers in a 2-class configuration

- 3200nm range

- potentially available in 2008/2009 timeframe (Boeing just rolled out the first one for flight testing)

Jim

Here's the previous post about Boeing and USAirways.
I think Contential just ordered some.

 

[wench]

Geez, Im shocked, I would have guessed more 50, 70 or 90 seaters.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The Airbus product line has one problem - a gaping hole between 160 and 260 seats, with nothing on the horizon to fill it. That's precisely the hole that the 757/767 fill in our fleet now. Will that be a problem as the 757/767's eventually leave? Who knows, but that's a pretty big hole.

And, yes, CO did just convert some of their 737 orders to the -900ER - 12 to be delivered in 2008.

Jim

 

[ringmaruf]

I was just thinking that the 737-900ER would make a good replacement for the non-ETOPS 757's.

- About 190 passengers in a 2-class configuration

- 3200nm range (not as far as the 757 but enough for non-ETOPS needs)

- potentially available in 2008/2009 timeframe (Boeing just rolled out the first one for flight testing)

So when should we be expecting the ALPA MEC to agree to LOA 96, paying the B739ER at straight Group 2 rates with no premium? You just know that Parker will threaten to cancel any order otherwise.

 

[BoeingBoy]

So when should we be expecting the ALPA MEC to agree to LOA 96.....<snip>

haven't you heard - they're not going to be LOA's any more. Consistant with "Truth in advertising", the new nomenclature is B(end)O(over) 1, BO 2, etc....

:angry: :blink:

Jim

 

[luvthe9]

"At the quarterly Labor Coalition Meeting, senior management informed us that they will embark on a six-month program to look at ordering 60 to 100 airplanes from Boeing and/or Airbus to replace older B737s/757s and A320s/319s whose leases end within the next five years. The order is expected be a replacement order as the mainline fleet plan seems flat for some time," Baker said.
737-900er is my guess

As per S.S. in the Boeing traning dept. the are looking at 40 to 90 B737-800, and the 787.

 

[Elevation]

As per S.S. in the Boeing traning dept. the are looking at 40 to 90 B737-800, and the 787.

sounds like you need to update your numbers a bit.

 

[ItsJustAJob]

I don't care what A/C they purchase!

Just so long as they don't have "Operated By Mesa Airlines" painted on the side.

"FAA Diamond award for aircraft maintenance 200,2001,2002"

At least they USED to have a good maintenance record.

Also, the FA's still make the announcement about being recognized as "Regional Airline of the Year" although they leave out that it was 2005.

(sorry to hijack this thread..........as you were)

 

[700UW]

The FAA Diamond awards are for having continuing edcuation for your Mechanics, not how safe your maintenance program is.

From the FAA Web Page:

Aviation Maintenance Technician (AMT) Award
About the Award Program
The Aviation Maintenance Technician Awards program encourages aviation maintenance technicians (AMTs) and your employers to take advantage of initial and recurrent training by issuing awards based on training you receive in one calendar year.

The program has five levels, or phases, of recognition for both you and your employer. You’ll get an FAA Certificate of Training and a distinctive tie tack/lapel pin when you successfully complete each level of the program.

For Aviation Maintenance Technicians
The number of hours required to earn each award are:

Bronze Award — 6 hours
Silver Award — 12 hours
Gold Award — 26 hours
Ruby Award — 60 hours
Diamond Award — 100 hours
For Employers
The FAA award for employers is the Certificate of Excellence. Each level or phase is based on the number of eligible employees that get an AMT award:

Bronze Certificate of Excellence — 10 percent of the company's eligible employees get an AMT award
Silver Certificate of Excellence — 20 percent employee participation
Gold Certificate of Excellence — 30 percent employee participation
Ruby Certificate of Excellence — 40 percent employee participation
Diamond Certificate of Excellence — 50 percent employee participation
View Advisory Circular 65-25C: Aviation Maintenance Technician Awards Program for more information.

And I guess you forgot Mesa owns Air Midwest who vendored out the repair of the B1900D that crashed in CLT due to improper maintenance procedures.

 

[Swaayze]

From The Hub Jun 1, 2007:

Good news! Today we placed an order for 100 new narrowbody aircraft to use as replacements for our older 737s. After months of negotiations with Boeing and Airbus we were unable to reach favorable terms, so we've entered into an agreement with Embraer - 100 firm orders for E195s and 100 options. Additionally, thanks to the recent agreement with ALPA, it's expected that Republic will soon operate the remaining E-Jet fleet, as well as these newly ordered airplanes, in exchange for a 500 million dollar commitment towards the capital expenditure on these aircraft.

More good news: The selection of Embraer aircraft will result in hundreds of millions of dollars in capital savings. Therefore, effective immediately, all managers at USAirways (and Republic) will receive LCC stock options and cash bonuses totaling $500 million.


:blink:

 

[BoeingBoy]

Swaayze,

You neglected to mention the a couple of things.....

First, management dangled the potential Boeing/Airbus order in front of the pilots as the "prize" for agreeing to a cost-minus contract.

Having gotten the cost-minus contract, the terms on the Boeing/Airbus offers suddenly became too expensive - but Embraer offered good terms (and don't worry, mainline will fly them - at 190 pay rates).

Someone from GE (who's providing financing for 25% of the Embraer's) calls the MEC with the message "We're a little uncomfortable with financing so much for US, and want some scope relief so these Embraer's can be flown by US' affiliates".

The MEC, using the logic that "If we don't grant scope relief, GE will take these planes and give them to our competitors", pushes through said relief.

The code-a-phone ends with "Please remember we still have 3,462 pilots on furlough with 37 pilots working at Jets for Jobs carriers."

Jim

 

[Bus Driver]

The code-a-phone ends with "Please remember we still have 3,462 pilots on furlough with 37 pilots working at Jets for Jobs carriers."


AND . . .

There ARE only 647 pilots left flying at mainline!

Bus Driver