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No, they don't have to hide or lose money. The TWU will not insist on us reaping the rewards!
AA announcement at months end
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No, I mean they'll mishandle (Understaff) the contract work like they have with virtually every other contract we've had and lost.
I remember 5-6 years ago at Kennedy the Asiana reps used to count the number of cabin cleaners going up onto the 747,seems AA was billing them for fourteen cleaners and providing seven.They complained and complained and local management consistently blew them off and eventually Asiana went to the IAT.
Same thing with Iberia, AA billed for X number of clerks and cleaners to work the turns but provided them with less than half of what they are billed for.
I remember 5-6 years ago at Kennedy the Asiana reps used to count the number of cabin cleaners going up onto the 747,seems AA was billing them for fourteen cleaners and providing seven.They complained and complained and local management consistently blew them off and eventually Asiana went to the IAT.
Same thing with Iberia, AA billed for X number of clerks and cleaners to work the turns but provided them with less than half of what they are billed for.
Reaping the rewards? AA overhaul mechanics are the highest paid for what they do. In terms of pay, they are to overhaul what UPS mechanics are to line maintanence. Show me any airline (if you can find one that still does their heavy mx) or hackshop that pays what AA pays.
An announcement on the succcessful bidder for the Boeing Gold Care program is expected in Oct. According to AAs point man on this project, our chances look very well at securing this deal. Gold Care is offered as a package from Boeing - kinda like an extended warranty that also provides line check work.
As far as overhaul goes, the plane is supposed to go for 12 years before one is needed.
As far as overhaul goes, the plane is supposed to go for 12 years before one is needed.
Not a very fair assessment when you consider they are also the most productive in the industry. So in man-hours, they are the cheapest and also the lack of re-work that those who outsource encounter lowers the rate further. Considering that 25% of the base (OSM's) are working at salaries lower then contractors, I'd say AA has a bargain and knows it.
BTW...SWA does some C-checks and pay 30% more than AA.
As far as an announcement, DFW's local is reporting that they have successfully stolen the SAAB work from MCI, keeping them from recalling members.
You are correct on most of your points.
1. AA AMTs are the most productive when compared with others and when considering the problems with rework. You get what you pay for. AA pays it's overhaul A&P mechanics the highest so the productivity and quality should be high.
2. Yes, AA has the OSMs but so do the hackshops. A hackshop pays $20-$23 an hour for a top A&P and between $8 and $15 an hour for an OSM. A topped out AA overhaul A&P makes almost $32/hr and a topped out OSM makes about $21/hr ( I know this for a fact because they hired on with me on the ramp then they went to be an OSM). Plus, AA overhaul employees have better benefits, pensions, and retirement medical. Someone a while back posted on this website the ratio of A&Ps to non-licensed people (OSMs)at one of the hack shops and if I remeber correctly, 2/3 (66%) were NOT A&Ps and the other 1/3(33%) were.
3. As far as Southwest, I remember that a Southwest mechanic posted here a while ago and stated the pay, number of AMFA members (1600) and where they worked. I will see if I can find that post to determine how many of SW's AMTs perform C-checks. Given the 1600 number figure covers line, B-checks, overnight mx, ground equipment maintanence, and plant maintanence. The number can't be very high.
From Aero-News:
Boeing Adds 47 More To The Books
Sat, 23 Sep '06
Enjoys Continued Success Against Rival Airbus
Forty-seven more orders for Boeing jets posted on the company's website Thursday, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
Boeing said of the 47 new orders, 16 are for its new 787, with the rest 737 series aircraft.
The 737 series remains Boeing's best-selling airframe. Boeing declined to identify the customers making Thursday's orders, at their request.
CARE TO GUESS WHO MIGHT BE THE CUSTOMER????
Boeing Adds 47 More To The Books
Sat, 23 Sep '06
Enjoys Continued Success Against Rival Airbus
Forty-seven more orders for Boeing jets posted on the company's website Thursday, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
Boeing said of the 47 new orders, 16 are for its new 787, with the rest 737 series aircraft.
The 737 series remains Boeing's best-selling airframe. Boeing declined to identify the customers making Thursday's orders, at their request.
CARE TO GUESS WHO MIGHT BE THE CUSTOMER????
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American Air Bids to Provide Boeing 787 Maintenance
this was what I was eluding to at topics start.
By Mary Schlangenstein and James Gunsalus
Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- AMR Corp.'s American Airlines said it's bidding to become the sole provider of maintenance for North American companies that buy Boeing Co. 787 aircraft with a service program.
An order backlog for 377 of the jets, valued at more than $60 billion, has made the Dreamliner its most successful aircraft introduction, Boeing said. North American companies, including Continental Airlines Inc., Northwest Airlines Corp. and ACE Aviation Holdings Inc.'s Air Canada, have ordered 83.
American, the world's largest airline, has focused since late 2004 on winning third-party maintenance contracts to boost revenue, help stem losses and preserve jobs. The approach differs from most other U.S. carriers', which in recent years have increased use of contractors outside the U.S. to cut costs.
``American has been trying to turn its maintenance facilities into a profit center,'' said James Corridore, a New York-based airline equity analyst at Standard & Poor's. ``They have taken on a lot of outsourced maintenance for other airlines, and this would keep their maintenance bases full and probably make them some nice money.''
The bid for work on the Boeing planes ``is in step with American's overall strategy,'' John Hotard, a spokesman for the Fort Worth, Texas-based carrier, said in an interview today. ``We're a full-service provider'' and would perform both thorough overhauls and overnight repairs if it wins the 787 contract.
Decision by Early 2007
The GoldCare program that AMR is bidding on is contracted separately from the aircraft itself and typically would be a multiyear agreement. A formal bid process began earlier this year to pick a North American provider of the maintenance, overhaul and repair services, said Charles Bickers, a spokesman for Chicago-based Boeing.
The aircraft maker will choose the provider by early 2007, he said. Bickers declined to confirm American's bid or say what other companies are being considered. A contract may run as long as 12 years, he said.
American generated more than $65 million in revenue in this year's first seven months for maintenance for other airlines. The carrier has set cost-reduction and revenue goals at its repair bases in Tulsa, Oklahoma; Kansas City, Missouri, and Fort Worth, and earlier this month created a similar program for its 28 line-maintenance centers at U.S. airports.
It's too early to say how the 787 work would be distributed among the American bases if the contract is won, Hotard said.
AMR Chief Executive Officer Gerard Arpey has said the carrier is interested in flying the 787. He has declined to comment on any purchase plans.
Boeing is spending about $8 billion to develop the aircraft, which would seat 250 to 300 passengers. The first 787 is to be delivered in 2008.
Pending Orders
American has 54 Boeing aircraft on order. The forty-seven 737-800s and seven 777s are to be delivered from 2013 through 2017. Boeing agreed in 2004 to delay the deliveries, which originally were set for 2006 through 2010. The airline this year took delivery of two 777s for international travel.
Since 2003, American has reduced annual operating costs by $4.6 billion. The airline has said it expects to gain $700 million in additional savings this year.
AMR has posted net losses totaling more than $8.2 billion since 2000. The company had a second-quarter profit of $291 million as travel demand and fares rose.
AMR shares rose 56 cents to $24.80 at 4:15 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. They have gained 12 percent this year.
European maintenance provider SR Technics, a unit of 3i Group PLC, is the only repair service company chosen by Boeing so far. Bidding for an Asian provider is under way, and Boeing has said it will need four or five such providers worldwide.
Dreamliner equipment suppliers Rockwell Collins Inc., Smiths Group Plc and United Technology Group Corp.'s Hamilton Sundstrand have signed on partners under Boeing's GoldCare service.
To contact the reporters on this story: Mary Schlangenstein in Dallas at maryc.s@bloomberg.net ; James Gunsalus in Seattle at jgunsalus@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 25, 2006 18:46 EDT
this was what I was eluding to at topics start.
By Mary Schlangenstein and James Gunsalus
Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- AMR Corp.'s American Airlines said it's bidding to become the sole provider of maintenance for North American companies that buy Boeing Co. 787 aircraft with a service program.
An order backlog for 377 of the jets, valued at more than $60 billion, has made the Dreamliner its most successful aircraft introduction, Boeing said. North American companies, including Continental Airlines Inc., Northwest Airlines Corp. and ACE Aviation Holdings Inc.'s Air Canada, have ordered 83.
American, the world's largest airline, has focused since late 2004 on winning third-party maintenance contracts to boost revenue, help stem losses and preserve jobs. The approach differs from most other U.S. carriers', which in recent years have increased use of contractors outside the U.S. to cut costs.
``American has been trying to turn its maintenance facilities into a profit center,'' said James Corridore, a New York-based airline equity analyst at Standard & Poor's. ``They have taken on a lot of outsourced maintenance for other airlines, and this would keep their maintenance bases full and probably make them some nice money.''
The bid for work on the Boeing planes ``is in step with American's overall strategy,'' John Hotard, a spokesman for the Fort Worth, Texas-based carrier, said in an interview today. ``We're a full-service provider'' and would perform both thorough overhauls and overnight repairs if it wins the 787 contract.
Decision by Early 2007
The GoldCare program that AMR is bidding on is contracted separately from the aircraft itself and typically would be a multiyear agreement. A formal bid process began earlier this year to pick a North American provider of the maintenance, overhaul and repair services, said Charles Bickers, a spokesman for Chicago-based Boeing.
The aircraft maker will choose the provider by early 2007, he said. Bickers declined to confirm American's bid or say what other companies are being considered. A contract may run as long as 12 years, he said.
American generated more than $65 million in revenue in this year's first seven months for maintenance for other airlines. The carrier has set cost-reduction and revenue goals at its repair bases in Tulsa, Oklahoma; Kansas City, Missouri, and Fort Worth, and earlier this month created a similar program for its 28 line-maintenance centers at U.S. airports.
It's too early to say how the 787 work would be distributed among the American bases if the contract is won, Hotard said.
AMR Chief Executive Officer Gerard Arpey has said the carrier is interested in flying the 787. He has declined to comment on any purchase plans.
Boeing is spending about $8 billion to develop the aircraft, which would seat 250 to 300 passengers. The first 787 is to be delivered in 2008.
Pending Orders
American has 54 Boeing aircraft on order. The forty-seven 737-800s and seven 777s are to be delivered from 2013 through 2017. Boeing agreed in 2004 to delay the deliveries, which originally were set for 2006 through 2010. The airline this year took delivery of two 777s for international travel.
Since 2003, American has reduced annual operating costs by $4.6 billion. The airline has said it expects to gain $700 million in additional savings this year.
AMR has posted net losses totaling more than $8.2 billion since 2000. The company had a second-quarter profit of $291 million as travel demand and fares rose.
AMR shares rose 56 cents to $24.80 at 4:15 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. They have gained 12 percent this year.
European maintenance provider SR Technics, a unit of 3i Group PLC, is the only repair service company chosen by Boeing so far. Bidding for an Asian provider is under way, and Boeing has said it will need four or five such providers worldwide.
Dreamliner equipment suppliers Rockwell Collins Inc., Smiths Group Plc and United Technology Group Corp.'s Hamilton Sundstrand have signed on partners under Boeing's GoldCare service.
To contact the reporters on this story: Mary Schlangenstein in Dallas at maryc.s@bloomberg.net ; James Gunsalus in Seattle at jgunsalus@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 25, 2006 18:46 EDT
Sounds like Ryanair was the customer for the 738s:
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Stor...amp;siteid=yhoo
No news on who ordered the 787s.
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(If awarded this 787 maintanance contract),How about, AA "buys" a half dozen 787's, and pays for them by doing the maint.(contract) for FREE ??
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This was already brought up to the union, and the answer was the same as the 14 month bid, you need to be "flexible with the rules." :down: :down:
I could care less what the twu has to say about this, I don't do struck work.
